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Scola, the highest paid 2nd rounder in the history of the NBA!
I'd take a couple of those players as one-year stop gaps if the bigs this year suck in the playoffs and Butler and Mahinmi show no promise. Of course, like I've said all along, if Scola would come for his market value, I'd place him high on the list.
But also remember, the Spurs only have the MLE to spend and bigman isn't the only concern on this team. The Spurs need a backup point guard and help on the wing. You can't just limit it to bigmen.
Scola, the highest paid 2nd rounder in the history of the NBA!
Good post. I agree with 99% of that. And I'm sure you would agree that Javtokas isn't worth more than a minimum contract to begin with, while Scola is worth more than ten times that.
Scola could very well be the Spurs' best option this year. However, the Spurs aren't going to give him $10-12M to come over. But if the reports are true that his buyout will be lowered this summer, then perhaps that won't me an issue.
If Scola's buyout is less than $2M as some are saying, I don't see him passing on a three-year, $6M deal.
The difference in this case - ignoring the fact that these are two different men - is that if Scola ever winds up playing for the Spurs, he'll wind up playing for them too late, because they need him right now. If he's not on this team because of cheapness, then that's a tragedy and mistake.
The Spurs weren't going to make a desperation move, especially one that had no guaranteed outcome. If you remember correctly, even if the Spurs would have caved in and offered Scola the contract he wanted, Scola still would have had to work a buyout with his former team. So the Spurs could have offered Scola the money and have it blow up in their face.
Either way, you didn't answer my question. Do you think V-Span would have gotten the same contract he did from the Rockets if he were on the open market.
Thanks.
A few things to have in mind this coming summer kori.
1st:Scolaīs buy out will be lower tham last summer.
2nd:Spurs will need him more tham last year and the year before,because of the Ļtoo oldĻ spurs bench.
3rd:Most likely Scola Will be the Euroleague MVP of the year and he is gonna feel like heīs got nothing else to proof in Europe+He is getting older.
not mentioning IF spurs donīt pass the playoffs 2nd.round this year with the current roster.
If both parts can give up a little bit of cheapness and money expectations,Scola with get his buy out from Tau
And I belive heīll sign a US$ 3 M p/year at least.
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 02-08-2007 at 05:38 PM.
I really don't care about Spanoulis. I don't know much about him and he's barely on my radar. When guards get paid the same as big men, ask me again.
If you don't know much about comparable players that comprise the same market that Scola does, don't be surprised if you don't understand why the Spurs didn't cave.
I still don't think it is all about money any more between Scola and the Spurs.
True. Don't forget about the racism involved.
donīt worry heīll get a facke S.S card to go to work
If Luis Scola was a U.S. player, the Spurs would never have drafted him.
Read the post after I edited it: Spanoulis is a shooting guard. Sort of a point guard. He's a combo guard. Whatever. Dime a dozen in this league, so your comparison with an elite scoring big man is bogus.
TIMVP, while I understand where you and the Spurs are coming from, this business of no bargaining position is just garbage. Let's talk a little about economics for a second.
I'm racist against Argentinians and Lithuanians because I can see where the Spurs are coming from?
That is awesome.
I think that Scola's market value is something in the range of $5-6M over three years. I think that Javtokas' market value is the league minimum.
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You guys can live in some fairy land where second round picks with no bargaining position get paid as much as the first overall pick the draft, but the Spurs, the rest of the NBA and timvp will live in reality.
1) Market value is what some participant in the Market will pay for something.
2) While it used to be true that the Market for high priced basketball players was confined to the NBA, the Europeans have some money too. It spends as well as anybody else's.
3) There is no doubt in my mind that if Scola wants to, he can sign a contract in spain for something on the order of 14 million euros over 7 years. (alhtough this would likely be the last contract of his career). Therefore, his opportunity cost to come to the NBA is 2 million euros/year + buyout costs. For this to make economic sense to him personally, NBA Salary * (1 - US tax rate) = 2 million euro + annualized buyout costs. Top US tax rate ~ 1/3. Annualized buy estimated at 1 million dollars us annually (including the impact of the Spurs $500,000). Euro to Dollar conversion 1 Euro ~ 1.3 US Dollars.
Do The math
NBA Salary = [(1-1/3)^-1] * (2000000*1.3 + 1000000) = (3/2)*(3600000)
NBA Salary = 4800000
Yeah, that's right, to make economic sense FOR HIM, his starting salary has to approach 4.8 million ANNUALLY. And the decision is HIS, you can't kidnap the man at gunpoint and force him to play in the NBA. At the salary you're proposing, he has about 2.8 million reasons a year to stay in Europe. He's clearly willing to give us a discount (My understanding is that he is asking for roughly 3.5 Million per year), because he wants to play in the NBA.
4) "No bargaining position" -
Yeah Right. You want him, your gonna have to pay some. He can walk away anytime he wants, play in Europe and make BIGTIME money, living very comfortably. If you want him on the court, be prepared to stump up.
PS. Assuming he keeps his discout the same ~ 1.3 million US, and his buyout drops to 800K at the last year of his contract, effectively nothing.
Economic NBA Salary = [(1-1/3)^-1] * (2000000*1.3 + 0) = (3/2)*(2000000)
Economic NBA Salary = 3000000
NBA Salary = 3000000- Discount = 3000000-1300000 = 1700000.
He will likely come over for your proposal of $6 million for 3 years.
hey,donīt worry about that,he is still cheap man.letīs bring him onboard too,who cares if he plays 1,2,3 spot anyways?
We can actually make him do Holtīs mansion housekeeping too.
Nice post, pad. Some on this board think players can be gladly trapped into contracts and not 1) piss off those players; and 2) piss off a number of other involved people in the basketball business. But you're correct on this issue. I don't know if it's worth debating here, however. Timvp and others argue it as if they've got some sort of moral high ground. They don't. It's business, and they don't understand it.
Nice use of math but what you forgot to factor in is Scola's second contract in the NBA. If he explodes on the scene as many in this thread are predicting, his second contract in the NBA is going to dwarf anything he could get anywhere in the world.TIMVP, while I understand where you and the Spurs are coming from, this business of no bargaining position is just garbage. Let's talk a little about economics for a second.
1) Market value is what some participant in the Market will pay for something.
2) While it used to be true that the Market for high priced basketball players was confined to the NBA, the Europeans have some money too. It spends as well as anybody else's.
3) There is no doubt in my mind that if Scola wants to, he can sign a contract in spain for something on the order of 14 million euros over 7 years. (alhtough this would likely be the last contract of his career). Therefore, his opportunity cost to come to the NBA is 2 million euros/year + buyout costs. For this to make economic sense to him personally, NBA Salary * (1 - US tax rate) = 2 million euro + annualized buyout costs. Top US tax rate ~ 1/3. Annualized buy estimated at 1 million dollars us annually (including the impact of the Spurs $500,000). Euro to Dollar conversion 1 Euro ~ 1.3 US Dollars.
Do The math
NBA Salary = [(1-1/3)^-1] * (2000000*1.3 + 1000000) = (3/2)*(3600000)
NBA Salary = 4800000
Yeah, that's right, to make economic sense FOR HIM, his starting salary has to approach 4.8 million ANNUALLY. And the decision is HIS, you can't kidnap the man at gunpoint and force him to play in the NBA. At the salary you're proposing, he has about 2.8 million reasons a year to stay in Europe. He's clearly willing to give us a discount (My understanding is that he is asking for roughly 3.5 Million per year), because he wants to play in the NBA.
4) "No bargaining position" -
Yeah Right. You want him, your gonna have to pay some. He can walk away anytime he wants, play in Europe and make BIGTIME money, living very comfortably. If you want him on the court, be prepared to stump up.
PS. Assuming he keeps his discout the same ~ 1.3 million US, and his buyout drops to 800K at the last year of his contract, effectively nothing.
Economic NBA Salary = [(1-1/3)^-1] * (2000000*1.3 + 0) = (3/2)*(2000000)
Economic NBA Salary = 3000000
NBA Salary = 3000000- Discount = 3000000-1300000 = 1700000.
Even if Scola himself thinks there is only a 50/50 chance that he would garner anything close to a Manu type contract, it's worth the risk to Scola. If he bombs out, he still can cash back in on a Euro team.
Add to the equation a 50% possibility that he's going to get a Manu contract and then let me know what makes more sense, signing a 3-year $6M or signing a long-term contract in Europe.
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Exactly.
Says the guy who isn't aware of similar situations happening in the NBA.
Explode for a second contract? On whose guarantee? There's no showing that Nocioni is going to get anything more than the MLE this summer from Chicago, which ain't a lot more than he's making now. Taking off money now because of a moderate chance of making more down the line is foolish.
Sincerely,
Manu "Dime a dozen guard" Ginobili
That players are trapped into contracts isn't surprising. Of course it happens. But to say we've got a butterfly net around Scola in this instance is a bit wishy-washy, since he can just as easily finish out his career as a Euroleague Hall of Famer and get laudations everywhere. Scola is just as likely to sit out a year of professional ball in order to abolish the Spurs' rights to him and then sign with whomever he wants. Money-wise that's probably the way to go.
Meanwhile, all for $1M/year, you would rather not have him play with this Spurs this year, next year, or ever.
Go find me another Ginobili. This team sucks now, so be quick about it.
I'm not going to read this whole thread, but if Scola is good low post player, we need him. Everybody always says it wouldn't work because he is a low post player and would get in the way of Tim. But if you notice when Tim is not in there, we need a low post player. So I only see him helping us, he sure can't be any worse than what we currently have.
Um, that's how it works in the NBA. You play well and you are rewarded. You don't get a big contract before stepping foot on an NBA court.
And if you would have kept reading that post you quoted and picked up a calculator, it makes economic sense for Scola to not cash in on his first deal as long as he believes he will get a second contract in the league.
The Spurs should panic and sign Scola and Javtokas to the two biggest deals in NBA history, while ignoring that players more highly regarded are signing for less in similar situations. And the Spurs should do this with their only money available to spend in the summer.
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