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Hey, it's a business. If he can get $7 mil guaranteed from someone else why not opt out?
That's bs if Finley leaves the Spurs. We get this guy his ring, he FINALLY began to show up in games and contribute, AND he is still racking 18mil from Dallas. Repeat with us and see the light.
Hey, it's a business. If he can get $7 mil guaranteed from someone else why not opt out?
So, if the Spurs are trying to resign him, it would be with the money of the MLE and LLE, right? This means they have less money for a SF or PG? I wonder how they want to solve this...
The Spurs have Oberto's Early Bird Rights, meaning it wouldn't take any money from the MLE to resign him.
Thanks! I totally forgot that.
let's not forget that he already signed here for below market value once.
it doesn't really make a difference. while the spurs might not be paying him a ton of money, he's still earning a ton of money. he's raping dallas and the spurs and finley are benefiting from it. he's the last person that should be feeling he's underpaid.
The most I will give to Oberto is $12M/3 yaers with the third year not fully guaranteed. Oberto has been good in these playoffs but playoffs are all about matchup and Spurs main rivals (Dallas, Houston and Phoenix) aren't good matchups for Oberto. The only way, I would match a 3 years full MLE deal is if the offer come from Dallas or Phoenix.
Is $12M/3 realistic though? I really think that Oberto's agent will be looking for at least $4M/4 years and I don't think that is unreasonable. Teams have seen what the Spurs have done with putting good veteran role players around their core and I think someone that is trying to copy the Spurs model will be make Oberto an offer the Spurs will not match and as much as I like Oberto, I think that would be the best outcome for both parties.
This, and the way he fit into the team in the playoffs, suggest to me that Oberto will get 3-4mil for 3 years here and take it to win a few more rings. He fits into this team beautifully, both his personality and game, and I think he knows that this is about the best place for him. I'd be very surprised to see him leave.
I think a lot of people in this thread are looking at him as a chess piece, and not a human being. Did you see him jumping around like a little kid after game 4? He loves it here, and I think the team loves him. He'll stay.
Oberto's got a ring now, so being a part of a first-class organization might take a backseat to a big payday. There's always a team to overpay for a guy.
I just Hope Cuban doesn´t comeup with a stupid offer to Oberto(like a 4 yrs 16 M)like He always does,Just to screw us.
Plus,He needs a smart Center to compliment well with Dirk.
I doubt there's a team that will offer over 4mil for him, and for that he'd certainly choose to stay here. I reckon you'd have to offer 6+ to prise him away, and I don't see any team doing that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but he seems like the sort of guy who loves basketball, not just the money, and thus is more likely to stay with a great team who are in the middle of their run, just like Bruce, Manu, (and David?) did.
I hope our bigman rotation next year includes more Butler and we spread the minutes around Oberto-Butler-Elson depending on form and matchups.
I have a hunch Oberto will stay a Spur. The contract will be 3yrs /$12 - $14MM.
By the way, Brutalis, he won't be lonely in the Bobcats. Herrmann is there.
As I said earlier in the thread, maybe you don't have to offer him MLE money ($5M+) to price him out of the Spurs range...maybe you just have to guarantee an extra year at around the same money the Spurs will accept.
Say the Spurs offer a 3yr $12M contract with the third year being a team option. My guess is that some team (Toronto and Chicago come to mind, with their lack of frontcourt depth and affinity for internationals and hustle guys) comes over the top with a 4yr contract (three guaranteed) at somewhere between $16-20M.
In that case, I don't think the Spurs match....
I don't think Oberto will get a 4 years contract. He is still 32 years old and I don't see a nba team ready to give $4M to a 36 years old Oberto.
To me, 3 years is the max he cna get and I wouldn't be surprised if the third year isn't fully guaranteed (like for Bowen and Horry).
A Horry-esque contract makes a lot of sense.
exactly, the offers he gets arent going to be much higher and oberto isnt going to take his family to a new city and sit on some teams' bench for an extra million, knowing he could be winning rings with manu, duncan and pop in SA. The only question is how many years and who has the options.
Oberto will remain a Spur. He likes playing with Duncan. He obviously likes playing with Manu. He can chat in spanish with Bruce. He likes SA. Need I go on?
Ben Wallace got a four year deal for $60M at the age of 32....
Adonal Foyle signed a six year deal for $42M at the age of 30....
So, teams have proven that they are willing to pay players well into their 30s. And the assumption was that the Spurs wouldn't fully guarantee a third year, while the other team would, and also have an option in year 4. It's an assumption for sure, but I've seen how some of these restricted FA deals are structured to discourage the host club from matching....and it's not always about the $$$.
He can go to Dallas and visit Manu´s family on his days off.
you never know what ing M.Cuban is capable to offer.Plus if it is a spurs player.
The last year of Foyle is a team option.
Anyway, we will see what happen but I don't see Oberto getting a 4 years deal witha fourth year fully guaranteed
I wasn't answering to your post.
It was my assumption that the Spurs wouldn't guarantee a third year, but they very well might. And it was my assumption that another team WOULD guarantee the third year and hold a team option for the fourth....
I wasn't answering to your post.
BTW, if the MLE is at $5.4M this year, the max contract another team, that is over the cap, can give to Oberto is a $24.2M/4 years contract. Teams can't offer Oberto a full MLE deal ($31.3M/5 years) because of the over 36 rule.
With Elsons superior athletic skills, can he get his basketball IQ raised up and makes Fabs signing -or not- a non factor?
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