Spurs To Retire Avery Johnson's Number 6

[SequSpur]

the reason for the fight was rosE SAID aj sucked and aj took issues with the truth

WGAF about that.. players fight... Malik Rose sucked balls also. The folks arguing for AJ's number to be retired are the same folks that said Malik was an Allstar in the eastern conference.

Malik got less playing time on a ty eastern team than he did with the Spurs.

WTF?

[ShoogarBear]

owned.

Did you ever actually get around to seeing a game last year, or were they always conflicting with Shuffleboard Night?

[SequSpur]

Did you ever actually get around to seeing a game last year, or were they always conflicting with Shuffleboard Night?

Yeah, I watched a few of those french boy taking over a man's game games...

Every time Parker plays he buries Johnson's jersey another foot into the ground.

Avery sucks.

[DontHatethePlayer]

Did you ever actually get around to seeing a game last year, or were they always conflicting with Shuffleboard Night?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[SequSpur]

I don't even consider that he is coaching the Mavs, I look at it as he was a gravy training lucky mofo to have played with Duncan and Robinson.

The Spurs were active every day trying to replace or sign a better point guard. He was the ing weak link on the whole team. Period. Exclamation mark.

As soon as, I mean as soon as Parker got here and destroyed Avery in practice, Avery was ing gone! Gone! uhhh.. did I say gone?! yeah.. gone.....

how simple does the get? Avery hit a wide open few footer to win a game... how many of those ing shots did he miss? tons........ , it was so wide open, there wasn't a player on the same side of the court... They didn't even guard him, he was the player that they left to double team a big.

Seriously, are you that blind? Because he said a team prayer and he talked funny, he gets his jersey retired? There are 5 current players at least! that deserve their jersey to be retired if his ass is getting it..........

It has nothing to do with Dallas or his big mouth. His on the court play and his off the court bull was overrated. Look at the poll, its overwhelming that spurs fan could give a about him.

It's all about David and Tim and now Manu, Tony and Tim... He doesn't even a equate on the got damn scale... What the am I missing?

Cuz he got some assists to the two of the best players ever to play the game? How in the does he benefit from that? He was dumped for an 18 year old french kid from another country who had never played nba ball.

WTF does that tell you? It's not even an argument, is so got damn blatant, I don't see how anyone could say he deserves this? for his play? uh no... cuz he could say the lord's prayer in a twangy voice? uh yeah probably...

AJ is overrated.

[SequSpur]

End of discussion.

[ShoogarBear]

So, do you find that a low angle of approach is better for knocking the other guys' puck out of the triangle zone?

[SequSpur]

So, do you find that a low angle of approach is better for knocking the other guys' puck out of the triangle zone?

Note to self....

changing the topic means owned.

[ShoogarBear]

I was just trying to keep things in your areas of expertise.

Maybe you can tell us how you pick out your cards on Bingo Night.

[ShoogarBear]

Just joshing wit you, dude. Welcome back to the bandwagon.

I guess you heard: The Spurs won the le again last year!

[whottt]

I ing own this argument. I posted 3 items in this mofo and none of you can rebut on it....

.

Um...

Tony Parker a second round pick

I wasn't rebutting you because there's no such thing as bad AJ hate...however since you got all AJ about it....

[sandman]

If you're even going to try to attempt to argue Moore is more deserving than Silas based on stats, you're in deep trouble.

Hint: If you want to use stats, there are about 7-8 players who should get their numbers retired ahead of Manu.

And Silas' assist numbers are comparable with the league leaders for the era he played.

Was not attempting to argue that at all.

Someone a few hundred posts back was attempting to argue that AJ was just as deserving as Jr. I was merely pointing out the statistical difference between the two, adding on a question as to why they were only comparing the deservedness of AJ to Moore and not to Silas. I hope I made the point that statistically, both Silas and Moore were well beyond the talent level of AJ; ergo, there should not even be the comparison discussion. Throw in the careers cut short factor into what could have been accomplished by those two, and it's a bit ludicrous to attempt to put AJ in their class from a skill perspective.

[whottt]

Throw in the careers cut short factor into what could have been accomplished by those two, and it's a bit ludicrous to attempt to put AJ in their class from a skill perspective.

IF you're an AJ fan, anyone and everyone is mere fodder in the cause of elevating AJ...of course they'll trample a cripple in the process...just like AJ bullied young players in the shower...fascism...at it's finest.


Aj pisses on the Alamo? It's the Alamo's fault.


AJ wants your sister...you should give her up on a silver platter and consider yourself lucky AJ is interested in her...then STFU.

That is the mindset of the AJ fan. He can do no wrong...any lie is better than the truth as long as it protects AJ and gets that jersey retired....

[timvp]

I do think the ceremony awaiting us on December 22 has plenty of opportunities for unplanned awkwardness. Will Spurs fans in attendance actually boo AJ? (I won't). Will they give AJ a thunderous reception? (I will).

Though I think the retirement thing has become watered down -- as illustrated in my earlier post on this subject -- I can certainly see that for several years now, AJ's honor has just been a matter of time. He certainly did have an impact on this franchise during his playing days and I think he should be well-received by Spurs fans in thanks for those efforts. Spurs fans, I'm guessing, will have a hard time forgetting the Mavericks thing, though, and I suspect there will either be a less-than-full house when the ceremony takes place, or that there will be some smattering of boos for AJ initially.

On AJ's side, will he offer deep praise for the Spurs organization and get blasted by Mavs fans who are convinced that the Spurs are nothing but a bunch of cheating, classless thugs?

The drama will be an interesting watch.

San Antonio has class. Maybe if it were during a Mavs game, fans might get emotional and boo. But most sane Spurs fans realize AJ has helped the Spurs along their journey to four championships in nine seasons.

[timvp]

His leadership style consisted of being an asshole which is a byproduct of military style leadership which was given creedence tbecause of our militaries success in WWII. 50 years and a couple failed military 'engagements' and noone wants to be yelled at by some asshole that cannot put his money where his mouth is.

Guys like Robinson listen to that horse because the Navy taught him to.

I'm glad this guy isn't on my side of an argument.

[ShoogarBear]

Was not attempting to argue that at all.

Someone a few hundred posts back was attempting to argue that AJ was just as deserving as Jr. I was merely pointing out the statistical difference between the two, adding on a question as to why they were only comparing the deservedness of AJ to Moore and not to Silas. I hope I made the point that statistically, both Silas and Moore were well beyond the talent level of AJ; ergo, there should not even be the comparison discussion. Throw in the careers cut short factor into what could have been accomplished by those two, and it's a bit ludicrous to attempt to put AJ in their class from a skill perspective.

I think that lumping Moore and Silas into the same skill level is equally ludicrous.

In fact, I'll go one step further: If Moore wasn't a UT alum, his number would never have been retired.

[timvp]

And you know something else?

When the Spurs played the Sonics and Duncan was facing off against his friend AD...Duncan was being a giant puss.


When the Spurs faced off against AJ and the Mavs, I have never seen Duncan want it more, play harder, or be more mean about it...except maybe against LeBron in this past years finals.

First of all, this is a poor attempt at a take.

Second of all, Duncan and AD were first. AJ was Duncan's leader. Big difference.

As long as you bring up AD ... AD is also a good example of how being talented isn't enough. AD is a thousand times more talented than AJ. AD has every physical ability needed to be a dominant point guard.

But AD is too nice of a guy. He isn't a leader. He isn't self motivated. Basically, he isn't an azzhole. And what does that make him? A non-championship caliber point guard.

You can have AD quarterback your team ... or Rod Strickland for that matter. I'll take a winner like AJ or Billups or Cassell or any other championship level point guard whose critics claim are too selfish or too self absorbed.

[whottt]

In fact, I'll go one step further: If Moore wasn't a UT alum, his number would never have been retired.

What's with the Moore hate?

His number is up there because of a tragic end to his career...


And the truth is, that dude would have owned the Spurs assist records if not for that disease. He never even hit his prime. I don't think Parker would have beaten his career marks had he had the typical prime and decline of an NBA guard.

[whottt]

First of all, this is a poor attempt at a take.

Second of all, Duncan and AD were first. AJ was Duncan's leader. Big difference.

As long as you bring up AD ... AD is also a good example of how being talented isn't enough. AD is a thousand times more talented than AJ. AD has every physical ability needed to be a dominant point guard.

But AD is too nice of a guy. He isn't a leader. He isn't self motivated. Basically, he isn't an azzhole. And what does that make him? A non-championship caliber point guard.

You can have AD quarterback your team ... or Rod Strickland for that matter. I'll take a winner like AJ or Billups or Cassell or any other championship level point guard whose critics claim are too selfish or too self absorbed.

Eh....I'm not a big fan of AD either...although to his credit...he was the only mofo'n shooter that didn't choke against LA in 01. Unfortunately, he followed that up with a huge choke against LA in 02.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

San Antonio has class. Maybe if it were during a Mavs game, fans might get emotional and boo. But most sane Spurs fans realize AJ has helped the Spurs along their journey to four championships in nine seasons.

Sorry but the majority of your reasoning to support Johnson is sentimental bull . But youre the sane one....

[timvp]

The fact is the Spurs were trying to dump AJ long before they decided not to resign him...

It was time for AJ to move on. It's true that the Spurs tried to trade him as soon as 2000.

But there are reasons behind that. First of all, him being basically the head coach undermined Pop's effectiveness going forward. Second of all, the Spurs knew that for Duncan to grow into a leadership role, they'd have to get rid of AJ. No one else was becoming a leader on a team with AJ on it. Third of all, AJ was getting old and his skills were eroding.

I had no problem with AJ leaving. He left on relatively decent terms considering it was pretty soon after leading the Spurs to a championship. It was just time.

And like me and you bet (which you later reneged on per usual), I told you the Spurs would one day try to bring him back in. The Spurs tried to bring him back in for I believe the 2004 season to be a player/coach. If there was any animosity between Pop or Duncan and AJ, that wouldn't have happened.

[timvp]

i know for a fact that the Spurs Fo tried to cover it up. The amount of pull the Spurs have with the local media is amazing. O'keefe for example is blackballed here.

But I remember Harvey or someone making an article on the subject the day that it happened and that article was pulled off the site within a matter of hours.

That's a bold faced lie.

After the game, the locker room was a mess. Reporters asked what happened and everyone said Pop went crazy because they lost. It was months later that it came out that it was actually a fight between AJ and Rose.

Say goodbye to your credibility.

[sandman]

I think that lumping Moore and Silas into the same skill level is equally ludicrous.

In fact, I'll go one step further: If Moore wasn't a UT alum, his number would never have been retired.

I think in my attempt to recreate some of the faulty logic being espoused to make my own point, I gave the impression that Silas=Moore. My point was not to say that Silas=Moore, but rather that Silas/Moore>AJ. I was not attempting to compare the two to each other, but each to AJ.

As for Jr, going 5 straight years being less than half an assist away from averaging a double-double is not a trivial accomplishment. As I stated before, make the man's career 10 years instead of 5 years, and a double-double from a PG should be something that places him in the conversation.

As far as the UT thing, he was not a local kid; he was from Pennsylvania I think. I would venture that the Desert Fever swayed the sentimental vote much more than being a UT grad.

[timvp]

it wsa the year after the championship and the Spur were not playing well. Johnson had completely gone in the toilet and was still getting in peoples faces even though he was playing the most ty of all.

Malik told him to go get ed and i guess Johnson didnt like that.

Again, not accurate.

AJ called a play. Malik thought he had an advantage in the post so he wanted to break the play. They got into it a little on the court and then after the game they went at it again.

[timvp]

And by the way...that's exactly the reason you will never hear a Spur or anyone connected with them say a bad word about this retirement...becuase they keep that stuff in house....

And Don Harris flat out put them on the spot with it.....it was a total heist.


The fact that Pop mentioned it was AJ's jersey as he was handing it to Manu tells you their true intentions...they definitely knew it was AJ's jersey...and they definitely weren't planning on retiring it...

Are you really this naive? You think Pop would be forced by the media to do anything he didn't want to do? Seriously?

If Pop wanted to end the Don Harris talk, he would have just snapped his fingers to get Harris to STFU. Manu got number six because that was the number he wore. They didn't give it to him to spite AJ or something.

Bottomline is if Pop wasn't on board with retiring AJ's number, it wouldn't be getting retired. He could have gotten Harris to STFU about retiring the number and it would have disappeared within a couple days. Pop controls this town ... not Don Harris