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    Miller will be gone. He will be a Nugget by the deadline (wishful thinking)

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    "What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension," said Popovich.

    That part I think hardly anyone would dispute with an IQ above 50. If you're trying to enhance value in a trade in the position Memphis is in for a sale you do it by picking up good young players and/or high draft picks to give the guy buying the team something to put fans in the seats with. Even if that means picking up a somewhat lousy contract for a copuple of years to get those pieces. Memphis got nearly absolutely nothing for the future to sell out of the trade. A questionable talent in Crittendon, who has about as much potential as every other late pick, and a couple of picks that have abouit a 10% statistical chance of staying in the league more than a few years.

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    And who's going to argue with Jerry West?
    Me.

    Jerry West sucked so long and hard as GM in Memphis one can only conclude that any success in Los Angeles was due more to the draw of the Lakers team and market more than anything Jerry West personally did.

    Really, did he do anything right in Memphis?

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    Timmy??? Thats Tim to you flaker fan.
    How about "Mr. Duncan" to Laker fan.

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    Shut up trader. Nobody said anything about winning. This is about the Pau Gasol trade so take your ass kissing elsewhere.
    Wasn't Majicman a Suns fan less than 48 hours ago?

    And I thought the trolls were pathetic.

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    This thread delivers on so many levels. One thing is certain, the Lakers-Spurs rivalry is back.

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    Timmy??? Thats Mr. Duncan to you flaker fan.
    better.

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    I thought so.

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    It has to be collusion, nothing else makes a lick of sense.

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    You found the one thing the Spurs suck at "Tanking" since two teams had worse records than them
    The Spurs tanked to improve their chances at getting Duncan. It was obvious Duncan was a franchise player and the number 1 pick that year.

    The sason was over for the Spurs with Robinson out so long but he was able to play the last couple of weeks. The spurs saw no sense in playing him since they were out of the playoff hunt but still in the hunt to get the worst record.

    It was a smart move to not play Robinson since they would have likely won more games and had a decrease chance at getting the lucky lottery ball (Duncan).

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    the Lakers-Spurs rivalry is back.
    Get out of the first round and then maybe.

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    Popovich said, tongue planted firmly in cheek
    I said that on the first page and got told otherwise...

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    Charles Barkley even said it and he played against you guys. I think he should know if guys are giving it their all or not and sometimes it's just so en obvious. Don't insult people's intelligence by saying otherwise. It's almost on par with the "Al Queda" bull the Bush administration shoves down our throats. Anybody with a clue sees through the bull . en tanker cheaters pointing fingers.
    Agree with this.

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    but he was able to play the last couple of weeks
    Link to the trainers saying this please?

    Thanks.

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    According to Chad Ford (as quoted in TrueHoop), Pop isn't the only one. He's just the only one with the guts to go on record.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...our-Faces.html
    While most GMs weren't publicly venting their frustration on having missed out on Gasol, plenty were willing to do so privately.
    The excuses ranged from blaming Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace to blaming their owners to ... well ... pointing the finger in just about every direction but their own.

    One GM I spoke to asserted he had a better deal to offer, claiming that Wallace didn't return his calls.

    Another said that just two weeks ago, Wallace was asking for twice as much in return. If this GM had known the Grizzlies were lowering the asking price on Gasol, he would've made another offer, he said.

    A Western Conference GM said the Grizzlies' timing threw him off: "Big trades like this normally don't happen until after the All-Star break. Who would've guessed that the Grizzlies would've jumped the gun and taken such a lopsided deal three weeks before the trade deadline?"

    Another prominent GM said his owner vetoed any trade that would've pushed his team into luxury-tax territory.

    Sour grapes, anyone?
    If the first bolded statement is true, collusion is just about proven.

    The second bolded statement is pretty damning, too.

    These guys should go on record with what they were offering.

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    Of course Rascal sides with the Spurs haters what a shock.

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    Agree with this.
    Wilkins,Dominique
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    Yeah that team should have been kicking ass with an out of shape Robinosn with a bad back coming back if he could.

    Boston and Vancouver had the worst records by far then there was a pack of Philly, Denver and SA. Dnever went 2-10 over the last month and Philly 0-12. Spurs went 2-10. Denver truly sucked and played everybody. Philly had starters Scott Williams and Coleman out with a "sore shoulder" and a "calf contusion" respectively over that time.

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    It seems Stupid and Re ed...OOPS, I mean Dazed and Confused and the rest of the frontrunning Laker people don't understand the history of their own team that well.

    The success of the Lakers, outside of the the championships of the old Minneapolis Lakers, has been based upon taking advantage of the stupid GMs of stuggling teams.

    Look at the trades made for centers. Acquiring Wilt Chamberlain for three players none of you have heard of from the 76ers in 1970. An NBA le came in 1972.

    Acquiring Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from the Bucks for four players (the best of which were Junior Bridgeman and Brian Winters) - not even remotely equal compensation. Kareem was the MVP of the league many times in LA and five NBA les were won during Jabbar's tenure as a Laker.

    Let's go to 1996 - stealing Shaquille O'Neal from an Orlando Magic team offering Shaq more money than LA. In the same year getting Kobe Bryant from the Hornets for Vlade Divac in his contract year - the Charlotte Hornets end up getting one year out of Vlade and he walks to Sacramento as a FA. Once again - getting outstanding players for next to nothing or garbage.

    Do you how the Lakers got Magic Johnson? A completely washed up Gail Goodrich signed as a FA with the New Orleans Jazz in 1976 and the NBA League office decided (as was the case at the time) that the Jazz should compensate LA with a No 1 pick in 1979 - which turned out to be the 1st pick overall and Magic Johnson. Once again, a HOFer for garbage.

    How did James Worthy get to be a Laker? In 1980, the Cleveland Cavaliers just had to have Don Ford in and a low Laker 1981 1st rounder for Butch Lee and a 1982 first rounder. Low and behold, that 1982 pick turns into the 1st overall again and James Worthy - another HOFer for garbage. See a pattern here? The Lakers essentially have been getting something for nothing since 1970. It sure helps you stay on top when you can do that time after time after time after time. BTW, Byron Scott, another really good player, got to the Lakers in 1984 in a way similar to the Worthy deal.

    For Spurs fans back in the 1980s such as me it was extremely frustrating to see this kind of stuff go on and know your team had little to no chance of beating the Lakers in the playoffs. We Spurs fans are a little sensitive when it comes to LA getting something for nothing way too many times.

    As far as SA tanking games, I don't think the 1986-1987 Spurs tanked. That team was terrible and lost a ton of games. The Spurs lucked out and won the lottery and got David Robinson. A sidenote - when SA got the rights to DRob, none other than Brent Barry's dad (HOFer and NBA commentator) Rick said that Robinson should not sign with the Spurs, wait two years (until 1989) and sign as an unrestricted free agent with which team? You guessed it - the LAKERS! I'm glad David had some integrity and a sense of obligation to the city San Antonio.

    The 1996-1997 Spurs team also stuck because of Robinson's broken foot and a rash of injuries to lesser players on the squad like Chuck Person. Is it possible Robinson was held out late in the season? Yes, but that still didn't guarantee anything on the draft pick. SA just got lucky again and won the chance to draft Duncan. San Antonio at least had to endure really bad seasons to get Robinson and Duncan - they did not get the free ride the Lakers got through the years.

    The team that is responsible for the lottery we have today (and not the old coin flip with the two worst teams) is the Houston Rockets, who had the first pick in 1983 (Ralph Sampson) and 1984 (Akeem Olajuwon). The 83-84 Rockets team coached by Bill Fitch was playing Elvin Hayes (in his last year) 40 minutes a game late in the season and doing other weird stuff with the lineup to get a 50% chance at the first pick in '84. Without the Rockets misdeeds, the Spurs likely would not have the 4 NBA championships we currently enjoy today.

    Dazed and Confused, the Chuckster should have blamed his own former team for the lottery system and not busted the Spur's chops when he made that 1998 lockeroom quote about the Spurs cheating. Sir Charles doesn't always think when he speaks.

    One last thing - guess which team came in 2nd place for the opportunity to draft Kareem in 1969 (by coin flip) and David Robinson in 1987 (by lotto)? The answer is - the poor Phoenix Suns! That should make most of us on this board smile.

    This is a great post and sums up the history of the spurs and Lakers well.

    The Lakers through the years have found a way to turn a weak team around quickly. They don't stay down for very long. They have a good front office that is willing and able to jump at an opportunity to screw another franchise to land star players. The Spurs have needed to rely on lucky lottery ball bounces to get top players.

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    Of course Rascal sides with the Spurs haters what a shock.
    No shock there. I don't agree with you on most everything.

    You are weak minded. Your not able to make your own decisions but allow others to dictate what they want you to believe(conservative talk radio).

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    According to Chad Ford (as quoted in TrueHoop), Pop isn't the only one. He's just the only one with the guts to go on record.
    i think that if Pop is going on the front line, it's :

    -first, because he's obviously personnaly pissed off

    -but also because if someone has to represent and speak for everyone, that's him.

    I think having discussed with other GMs, he may feel that, as the reigning NBA champion and as a GM of the most respected organization in the league, he has the legitimacy and the responsibility to say on record what's being said off.

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    According to Chad Ford (as quoted in TrueHoop), Pop isn't the only one. He's just the only one with the guts to go on record.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...our-Faces.html
    If the first bolded statement is true, collusion is just about proven.

    The second bolded statement is pretty damning, too.

    These guys should go on record with what they were offering.
    If there is truth to GMs should just go public and force the league to clean up the crap. Maybe the league hierarchy just wants to may sure there's always a strong franchise in Hollywood for monetary reasons and give them a little help if they need it. Sure seems that way.

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    Link to the trainers saying this please?

    Thanks.
    You think the spurs trainers will say anything? Of course you don't, so why ask. If you followed the team back then it was believed by many in the league that Robinson could have played towards the end of the year.

    I had Robinson on my fantasy team back then and I remember he was supposed to be back towards the end of the year when he first went out but that changed after the spurs season went in the tanks.

    If you want to believe otherwise because it makes you feel better believing the spurs would never think about tanking thats your thing.


    I say it was a smart move to not play Robinson. I am not knocking the decision to sit Robinson but unlike you, I am no homer to say the Spurs did not tank or were in no hurry to get Robinson back on the court so they could win a few more games to decrease their chances at getting the top pick.

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    How many GM's said the same thing to reporters when McHale sent KG to Boston?

    McHale has gone on record to say that other GM's are lying and their proposals weren't what they were telling the reporters. Who are you going to believe? There's not one shred of evidence or proof to prove anything in either case. Just mindless speculation.

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    How many GM's said the same thing to reporters when McHale sent KG to Boston?

    McHale has gone on record to say that other GM's are lying and their proposals weren't what they were telling the reporters. Who are you going to believe? There's not one shred of evidence or proof to prove anything in either case. Just mindless speculation.
    Difference is Al Jefferson >>> Brown/Crittenton/Spanish dude

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    Who are you going to believe?
    Always believe the GM trying to justify a stupid trade and save his job at the same time.

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