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    Prepare to be disappointed.

    Hey, the past few days have been a marvelous intellectual exercise. I really believe that Obama's relationship with Wright was in spite of Wright's racial blatherings, that Obama really respected Wright's liberal theological erudition and drew from it, though with a focus on class where Wright put it on race. I make Obama out to be both a brilliant political scientist and an astute armchair liberal theologian to boot, even though I completely and firmly oppose his conclusions.

    But you know as well as I do that the number of voters who are going to read or listen to a 37-minute speech and then make a thoughful and nuanced consideration of what Obama is saying is very small, while the number of voters who will react viscerally to soundbites of his pastor is much, much larger.
    Yes, I do know that. I also think that in the end, it won't matter as much as so many other things.

    Elections are usually not quite so cut and dried.

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    ooooh, and then there is the economy.

    If the economy goes south, that also historically bodes well for Dems.
    I love it when the party out of power is cheering for economic downturns....we're all in this together, right?

    How about body-bags in Iraq; that'll SURELY get a Democrat elected.

    ooooohhhh IED's !!!!

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    Yes, I do know that. I also think that in the end, it won't matter as much as so many other things.

    Elections are usually not quite so cut and dried.
    True dat.

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    I love it when the party out of power is cheering for economic downturns....we're all in this together, right?

    How about body-bags in Iraq; that'll SURELY get a Democrat elected.

    ooooohhhh IED's !!!!
    Um, historically Democrats have been perceived as being better at managing the economy.

    I am not cheering for bad things to happen, merely noting that fact.

    I would much prefer *not* to have an economic meltdown, despite your distortion or jumps to conclusions about my views.
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    Um, historically Democrats have been perceived as being better at managing the economy.

    I am not cheering for bad things to happen, merely noting that fact.

    I would much prefer *not* to have an economic meltdown, despite your distortion or stupid jumps to conclusions about my views.
    Although, I can see how my post could be read that way, now that I look at it.

    Perhaps I should have put "oooh yeaaah" instead of "oooh", to denote the "I just remembered this other bit" rather than "I am happy about this."

    The perils of type-written communication. Experts say that the lack of body language and tone of voice take about 83% of contextual content out of written communication.

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    Although, I can see how my post could be read that way, now that I look at it.

    Perhaps I should have put "oooh yeaaah" instead of "oooh", to denote the "I just remembered this other bit" rather than "I am happy about this."

    The perils of type-written communication. Experts say that the lack of body language and tone of voice take about 83% of contextual content out of written communication.
    Fair enough.

    It was out of character for you after all...jumped on it all the same.

    Really, the post wasn't aimed at you directly (although I see how it could be read that way [sic], but it has amazed me over the years that, in fact, the party out of power (either party), gets a gleam in its eye when bad things happen.

    Regarding Obama's relationship with the church and its pastor.

    It will have the same effect as if McCain had been attending a Baptist church presided over by a Grand Dragon who openly spouted racism. The difference is, in that case the M$M would do more of the heavy lifting; in this case; the Republicans and their allies mainly on talk radio, will be left to do it. The message, in either case, will get out, and it will sway some votes.

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    I don't know... The media favors "new" developments, so unless Pastor Wright says something even more shocking in the coming months, I don't think it's going to get the same amount of play as it has in the past.

    Certainly it'll be an issue for some people, but I expect by July and August we'll have plenty of other shocking discoveries about Obama's past and the people he has been associated with.

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    Fair enough.

    It was out of character for you after all...jumped on it all the same.

    Really, the post wasn't aimed at you directly (although I see how it could be read that way [sic], but it has amazed me over the years that, in fact, the party out of power (either party), gets a gleam in its eye when bad things happen.

    Regarding Obama's relationship with the church and its pastor.

    It will have the same effect as if McCain had been attending a Baptist church presided over by a Grand Dragon who openly spouted racism. The difference is, in that case the M$M would do more of the heavy lifting; in this case; the Republicans and their allies mainly on talk radio, will be left to do it. The message, in either case, will get out, and it will sway some votes.
    Oh yeah, I agree on both points.

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    I don't know... The media favors "new" developments, so unless Pastor Wright says something even more shocking in the coming months, I don't think it's going to get the same amount of play as it has in the past.

    Certainly it'll be an issue for some people, but I expect by July and August we'll have plenty of other shocking discoveries about Obama's past and the people he has been associated with.
    It will be interesting to see what the bloodhounds come up with.

    I kinda hope this is the end of it, not because I support Obama (although I do), but more because I would prefer the election to be about say, issues, than personal destruction.

    Personally, I don't doubt something will come up, but I doubt it will be anything really major.

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    Oh I think we're in for some HUGE scandal for both nominees. At this point, you have to dig up something, and if you can't, you make it up.

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    It will be interesting to see what the bloodhounds come up with.

    I kinda hope this is the end of it, not because I support Obama (although I do), but more because I would prefer the election to be about say, issues, than personal destruction.

    Personally, I don't doubt something will come up, but I doubt it will be anything really major.
    Issues?

    The people who pay attention and comprehend the issues have already made up their minds. The swing voters care about this stuff, so that's what the elections are "about".

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