Kidd Trade - Good or bad?

[clambake]

mavsfan1000, when and how does this season end?

[monosylab1k]

I was talking about overall. I could go back to one game as well and prove that Stackhouse is better than Dirk. Sorry but I meant through a longer period of time.

Harris has never shot better than Stackhouse. Stackhouse takes some bad shots, and Harris gets his percentage up from drives. But Harris is nowhere near as good a jump shooter as Stack. If I need someone to take a jumpshot to win a game, give me Stackhouse over Harris any day.

[mavsfan1000]

It has nothing to do with that. In the playoffs, the elite teams are going to focus & lock down on their transition defense. In tight games in the 4th quarter, games slow to a crawl. The fast break is virtually eliminated. It has nothing to do with defense.

The suns were still scoring at a pretty good rate from what I remember. No team is quick enough to stop Harris's 1 man fastbreak. Even Terry has had some success with Kidd in this department and Harris is much quicker than Terry.

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Harris always shoots better than what Stack did. Especially this year. What people don't seem to understand is how poor of a shooter Stack is. Teams should go zone when he is in the game instead of Terry. Aw yeah no one can hit outside if Harris is in the game.

Harris has better percentages because he drives a lot more. But his jumpshot is just as inconsistent as stacks, but he doesnt have as good of range.

[mavsfan1000]

Harris has never shot better than Stackhouse. Stackhouse takes some bad shots, and Harris gets his percentage up from drives. But Harris is nowhere near as good a jump shooter as Stack. If I need someone to take a jumpshot to win a game, give me Stackhouse over Harris any day.

The only thing that Stackhouse can do better is the midrange shot which is the poorest shot in basketball anyways due to it only being 2 points and having to shoot farther out. Harris is a better 3 point shooter and slasher.

[Audio 2]

if you still can'se how great a trade this was for dallas, then you must still be sleeping under Devin harris's nutsack. You guys can have fun fly fishing in about a week.

[monosylab1k]

the midrange shot which is the poorest shot in basketball anyways due to it only being 2 points and having to shoot farther out.

Tell that to Sam Cassell.

Harris is a better 3 point shooter

not even close.

[mavsfan1000]

Tell that to Sam Cassell.

not even close.

Stackhouse is not close to the midrange shooter Cassell is either. Cassell can hit the 3 as well.

[Findog]

When was the last time fast break basketball won a championship?

1987-88.

[Findog]

When was the last time a fastbreak team actually cared about defense?

1987-88.

[Audio 2]

Poorest shot in basketball?? Hitting the midranger used to be an art. It's a shame that all these young kids care about it stepping back 10 feet to hit a shot they can only hit maybe about 35-40 of the time. Such a sad state basketball is in.

Devin is an ok slasher, but hes too short for that role. And hes not as strong a baskteball player as stack was and is.

[monosylab1k]

Stackhouse is not close to the midrange shooter Cassell is either. Cassell can hit the 3 as well.

Nobody said anything about Stackhouse vs. Cassell. You said the midrange shot was the worst shot in basketball and I showed you a guy who made his entire living on the midrange game and won a couple championships to boot. A good midrange game opens up driving lanes.

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The only thing that Stackhouse can do better is the midrange shot which is the poorest shot in basketball anyways due to it only being 2 points and having to shoot farther out. Harris is a better 3 point shooter and slasher.

???

Um, dude... the best scorers always have fantastic mid-range games. its what makes them such good scorers because they are versatile. most people that have good midrange games are solid scorers.

[mavsfan1000]

Tell that to Sam Cassell.

not even close.

Stackhouse 32.5% from 3 point range.
Harris is 34.6% from 3 point range. So the quicker player is also the better shooter. Yes Harris at the 2 would be a disaster beside Kidd.

[mavsfan1000]

???

Um, dude... the best scorers always have fantastic mid-range games. its what makes them such good scorers because they are versatile. most people that have good midrange games are solid scorers.

Yes you got to have it all. Stackhouse doesn't have anything that he shoots at a high percentage except maybe the 3 pointer in the corner.

[monosylab1k]

Stackhouse 32.5% from 3 point range.
Harris is 34.6% from 3 point range.

Stackhouse is a better 3 point shooter. His shot selection is worse. That's the issue.

Give me Stackhouse with a wide open 3 any day over Harris.

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Stackhouse 32.5% from 3 point range.
Harris is 34.6% from 3 point range. So the quicker player is also the better shooter. Yes Harris at the 2 would be a disaster beside Kidd.

Flawed stat. Bruce Bowen is shooting nearly 10% higher than Dirk from 3pt range. Are you telling me Bruce is a better shooter than Dirk?

[mavsfan1000]

Nobody said anything about Stackhouse vs. Cassell. You said the midrange shot was the worst shot in basketball and I showed you a guy who made his entire living on the midrange game and won a couple championships to boot. A good midrange game opens up driving lanes.

Yes for most people it is but the best players in the nba can shoot that at a high percentage. Just saying overall as a lot of people shouldn't shoot that shot unless forced to.

[monosylab1k]

Yes you got to have it all.

So you eliminate our midrange game by trading away our best midrange shooter. And team up 2 guys who can't create without the ball in their hands, forcing them to play together which means one of them will always be without the ball every time the offense takes the ball.

[clambake]

mavsfan1000, another question.

what should we do, now that the seasons over?

and please tell me where and how it ends?

[mavsfan1000]

Flawed stat. Bruce Bowen is shooting nearly 10% higher than Dirk from 3pt range. Are you telling me Bruce is a better shooter than Dirk?

Except Dirk gets a lot more attention than Bowen as well as a lot more attention than Stackhouse. Stackhouse and Harris don't get a ton of attention from 3 point range. The reason we are doing better now is Stackhouse is not starting. He killed our flow.

[mavsfan1000]

So you eliminate our midrange game by trading away our best midrange shooter. And team up 2 guys who can't create without the ball in their hands, forcing them to play together which means one of them will always be without the ball every time the offense takes the ball.

I didn't know we traded away Dirk. Not until recently did Terry get to start at that is because Stackhouse went out. How could we have Terry being left on the bench if teams would go zone and we can't shoot. Again you are way off.

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Except Dirk gets a lot more attention than Bowen as well as a lot more attention than Stackhouse. Stackhouse and Harris don't get a ton of attention from 3 point range. The reason we are doing better now is Stackhouse is not starting. He killed our flow.

I agree that we are better with starting Terry. But I just dont agree at all that Harris is a better jumpshooter than Stackhouse. Thats my only issue here.

[mavsfan1000]

mavsfan1000, another question.

what should we do, now that the seasons over?

and please tell me where and how it ends?

The season will end against the Lakers (just guessing) and we are screwed since we traded away our future point guard and Kidd will be done soon.

[Audio 2]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/devin_harris/index.html
as a NJN: ...

Kidd as a mav:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_kidd/index.html