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What the is wrong with you, man?
They have to go back
What the is wrong with you, man?
I love that there are zero replies to Cato murking all of Trump's pretexts for mass deportation
The study above compiled public records from the last 40 years for its analysis
Highlights:
Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits, every single year;
Illegal immigrants are more likely to be working than US natives;
Illegal immigrants consume fewer government services than US natives;
Illegal immigrants cost less per capita than the US average;
Illegal immigrants are much more likely to be in poverty but not more likely to be receiving welfare;
Illegal immigrants are less likely to commit or be incarcerated for crimes than US natives
- Every year from 1994 to 2023, immigrants have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits.
- Immigrants generated nearly $10.6 trillion more in federal, state, and local taxes than they induced in total government spending.
- Accounting for savings on interest payments on the national debt, immigrants saved $14.5 trillion in debt over this 30-year period.
- Immigrants cut US budget deficits by about a third from 1994 to 2023, and fiscal savings grew to $878 billion in 2023 (Figure 1).
- Noncitizens accounted for $6.3 trillion of the $14.5 trillion debt savings.
- College graduate immigrants accounted for $11.7 trillion in savings, while non–college graduates accounted for $2.8 trillion.
- The cohort of immigrants entering from 1990 to 1993, just before data collection began in 1994, was fiscally positive $1.7 trillion, and was still positive after 30 years in 2022–2023 (Table 1).
- Even including the second generation (see Box 1 for definitions), who are mostly still children who will become taxpayers soon, the fiscal effect of immigration was positive every year.
- Immigrants in all categories of educational attainment, including high school dropouts, lowered the ratio of deficit to gross domestic product (GDP) during the 30-year period.
- Without the contributions of immigrants, public debt at all levels would already be above 200 percent of US GDP—nearly twice the 2023 level and a threshold some analysts believe would trigger a debt crisis.8
we're killing the golden goose, people
Fascism always ends up being a suicide cult.
This is why it's popular with bitter white men.
they're hastening their own demise, but it won't be the death of everybody else
the USA and the world will survive them
all political majorities are transient
the thing about warrantless administrative detention is that it makes little discrimination between citizens and noncitizens
administrative agencies detaining US citizens is getting more frequent, the more frequently citizens object to paramilitary bureaucratic oppression
Last edited by Winehole23; 02-09-2026 at 09:27 PM.
Yep, the plan is to disappear a bunch of Democratic voters during the midterms.
Honestly, they're not ready for the thermostatic response to that, but I wouldn't be surprised to see prosecution of public officials escalate. The pool of targets is much smaller, and the legislative payoff much more immediate.
I don't expect to see mass detainment of American voters before the midterms.
If Republicans lose both legislative bodies in the midterms?
All bets off...
The bare idea that US citizens are routinely subject to administrative detention and surveillance is extreme and radical
The first thing I would compare it to is USSR-type social control
Trumpism is Bannonist-Leninism par excellence
I'm sorry you are being oppressed
go away with yourself, Snake Boy, you're not a bit sorry!
besides, you totally missed the tenor, i wasn't speaking of myself
I am a native Texan, 60 years old, white and IMAB
I am not oppressed, I look like the oppressor
Not me
Why do you want US citizens disappeared, snacks?
Explain.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-ice-detentionIrish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months
An Irish man has spent five months in US Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention and faces deportation despite having a valid work permit and no criminal record.
Seamus Culleton was a “model immigrant” who had become the victim of a capricious and inept system, said his lawyer, Ogor Winnie Okoye.
Originally from County Kilkenny, Culleton is married to a US citizen and runs a plastering business in the Boston area. While buying supplies at a hardware store on 9 September 2025 he was arrested in a random immigration sweep, according to Okoye, of BOS Legal Group in Massachusetts.
Culleton entered the US in 2009 on a visa waiver programme and overstayed the 90 day-limit but, after marrying a US citizen and applying for lawful permanent residence, he obtained a statutory exemption that allowed him to work, Okoye told the Guardian. “He had a work-approved authorisation that is tied to a green card application,” she said.
Culleton’s detention prevented him from attending the final interview in October, she said. “It’s inexplicable that this man has been in detention. It does not make sense. There’s no reason why the government shouldn’t just release him and allow him to attend the interview that will confirm his legal status.”
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I hope they sue when they finally get out
A judge ordered him deported on January 23rd. Order, (Pay close attention to the paragraph on page 6 where Culleton concedes he is "removable under the VWP":
ORDER
The man entered the country 20 years ago on a 90-day visitor visa and waited until it was apparent he could be deported before asking for an adjustment of his status.Culleton concedes he is removable under the VWP. Reply 10. But he argues that because USCIS accepted and began processing his adjustment of status application, he is en led to due process protections in its fair adjudication. Id. at 9. The Fifth Circuit has foreclosed this very argument, reasoning that the VWP waiver includes a waiver of due process rights. See Mukasey, 555 F.3d at 462. And “[t]he fact that [Culleton] applied for an adjustment of status before the DHS issued its notice of removal is of no consequence.” Id
I would think y'all would be glad he's not a person of color. This is what equal treatment under the law looks like -- I know that's a foreign concept to the Left but, yet, here we are.
You're orange?
Yoni doesn't see skin color when it comes to being afraid that foreigners will eat his cats.
Did he rape you?
DHS's mandatory detention policy has been found illegal by ~85% of federal district court judges so far
Trump-appointed judges are ruling against it 2-1
The people and the judiciary are the bulwark against DHS's paramilitary rampage so far. The degree to which the government is failing to indict in grand juries is impressive -- solid citizens straight up nope-ing out on DHS and DOJ's bull
For six months, dozens of judges appointed by Donald Trump have rebuffed — and sometimes pointedly rebuked — his administration’s effort to lock up thousands of immigrants under a novel reinterpretation of decades-old deportation laws.
This mass detention strategy, implemented by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, has met an overwhelming rejection by federal judges appointed by every president since Ronald Reagan.
A POLITICO review finds that 373 have rejected the administration’s effort to require detention — without the possibility of bond — for anyone who crossed illegally into the United States, even if they’ve lived in the country for decades without incident. That contrasts with just 28 judges who have sided with the administration’s view.
Even judges Trump appointed are largely against him: 44 of them have ruled against the administration in mass-detention cases. Twenty Trump-appointed judges have signed off on the policy.
Last edited by Winehole23; 02-13-2026 at 07:42 PM.
DHS mandatory detention policy vacated
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...on-2026-02-19/A federal judge threw out on Wednesday an administrative board's decision endorsing the Trump administration's policy of subjecting thousands of people arrested during its immigration crackdown to mandatory detention.
U.S. District Judge Sunshine Sykes in Riverside, California, vacated the decision
Sykes' Wednesday ruling, in a class action lawsuit that covers migrants nationwide, is more sweeping than decisions by hundreds of other U.S. judges holding the policy is unlawful and ordering detainees to be freed or given bond hearings.
Sykes, appointed by former Democratic President Joe Biden, called the administration's actions "shameless" and accused it of trying to continue its "campaign of illegal action" by still refusing bond hearings despite her prior ruling.
"Respondents have far crossed the boundaries of cons utional conduct," Sykes wrote.
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