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    Has Fears put on some size (musculature)?
    Tankathon has Fland at 175lbs and Frears at 182lbs. Just seems to look bigger than the tape I had seen previously (which admittedly was not a whole heap).

    Actually, NBAdraft.net has him at 190lbs. Interesting if true.

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    Keegan Murray actually played in college, a lot. Carter Bryant made occasional appearances.

    Jonathan Givony, I definitely don't trust him. He constantly seems to be pushing certain guys or holding back on others, and not because of what teams are saying. He was better before he joined ESPN -- oh, wait, he's ESPN. That's why he does it.

    I mean, upstairs he's talking about guys not missing in open shoot-arounds. Who gives a ? And he's the one who tried dropping that horse about watching Stephon Castle shoot for a long time and never making two in a row. Oh, and he's been caught doctoring his mocks after the fact.

    Anyway, yeah, taking Carter with the 8 would be bad enough. Following it up with another long project would be terrible. Having them play the same position would be icing on the cake.
    But Givony is in the workouts while Vecenie is in Australia watching film. He also got Jeremy Woo who provides the best intel in the draft comparable to him when he was at SI.

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    But Givony is in the workouts while Vecenie is in Australia watching film. He also got Jeremy Woo who provides the best intel in the draft comparable to him when he was at SI.
    It doesn’t matter if you’re there in person if your organization is having you glaze players that they want promoted. I trust Vecenie to be less biased.

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    I would draft Fears if he’s there. The guard rotation wouldn’t worry me. I think the upside far outweighs a nipple or longshot PF. Malu might be a tough pass if he also happens to be there.

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    I would draft Fears if he’s there. The guard rotation wouldn’t worry me. I think the upside far outweighs a nipple or longshot PF. Malu might be a tough pass if he also happens to be there.
    How in the world could you play Fox and Fears at the same time?

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    I remember reading that bit about Castle not making two in a row. Was that before the draft?
    Yeah, and it was really weird. Givony was going out against Castle. It's okay to be uncertain about a player but claiming he never hit two in a row was weird. There's tape of shoot arounds where he does.

    Frankly these workouts don't mean much to me. Lots of players hit shots in a relaxed gym setting that don't in games. It's next to pointless.

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    givony ends up having pretty accurate intel despite what we may think about him having a slant toward some players over others. he still was pretty consistently accurately mocking Castle to the Spurs at 4, behind risacher/sarr/sheppard which is exactly how it ended up playing out. cant doubt that he is somewhat connected due to his presence at the mothership

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    How in the world could you play Fox and Fears at the same time?
    You sit Wesley and play Fears as Fox’s backup as he develops. Fears is 18 on draft night. Fox is 27. At some point Fears will replace him.

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    Yeah, and it was really weird. Givony was going out against Castle. It's okay to be uncertain about a player but claiming he never hit two in a row was weird. There's tape of shoot arounds where he does.

    Frankly these workouts don't mean much to me. Lots of players hit shots in a relaxed gym setting that don't in games. It's next to pointless.
    Thanks. As for hitting shots, oh yeah, I know that better than anyone you can't put much stock into how someone is shooting in a gym with no pressure or defense or anything. That doesn't really mean a lot to me either. Yes, you can see if someone is a good shooter, but I still don't put a lot of stock in that as even average shooters can look good in a relaxed setting like you said. At the time of that comment, I was wondering if he's trying to scare teams off on drafting Castle by saying he can't even hit two in a row in an open gym setting, but I also didn't believe that as I'm sure he was hitting more than two in a row. I'm really not sure what he was trying to do/what his agenda was by saying that.

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    You sit Wesley and play Fears as Fox’s backup as he develops. Fears is 18 on draft night. Fox is 27. At some point Fears will replace him.
    This just doesn't work. You're playing your lottery pick at most like 20 minutes a game for 3-5 years?

    And as I've said having your lineups always, always having a smaller guard out there is a big problem.

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    We won’t be able to compete until our team is able to field an entire lineup of guys with this haircut

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    We won’t be able to compete until our team is able to field an entire lineup of guys with this haircut
    Can Flagg hack that cut though?

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    Can Flagg hack that cut though?
    This sounds like a good photoshop opportunity

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    Spurs pick num 2 or 4

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    Book it

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    Boogie Fland will not be available for our SRP. It would’ve been nice as backup PG.

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    Keegan Murray actually played in college, a lot. Carter Bryant made occasional appearances.

    Jonathan Givony, I definitely don't trust him. He constantly seems to be pushing certain guys or holding back on others, and not because of what teams are saying. He was better before he joined ESPN -- oh, wait, he's ESPN. That's why he does it.

    I mean, upstairs he's talking about guys not missing in open shoot-arounds. Who gives a ? And he's the one who tried dropping that horse about watching Stephon Castle shoot for a long time and never making two in a row. Oh, and he's been caught doctoring his mocks after the fact.

    Anyway, yeah, taking Carter with the 8 would be bad enough. Following it up with another long project would be terrible. Having them play the same position would be icing on the cake.
    I don't know if Givoney has an agenda. but I do think he is absolutely clueless about basketball. he built his career on collecting some numbers (nothing wrong about that) on DX and building a data base people liked to visit.

    his basketball "knowledge" is as simple as "player X will be a great defender, because he has a long wingspan" and "player Y is a great shooter because I saw him in a workout hitting 10 shots in a row".

    his lack of a basketball mind was camouflaged by Schmitz and now Woo.

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    I like that Vecine seems to have more realistic placements for players like Asa (20s), Liam (20s), Richardson (high teens), Fleming (20s), Bailey (not a lock at 3), than the casual fan.

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    We won’t be able to compete until our team is able to field an entire lineup of guys with this haircut
    Tim Duncan is ready. He would just need to trim the ends some.

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    I like that Vecine seems to have more realistic placements for players like Asa (20s), Liam (20s), Richardson (high teens), Fleming (20s), Bailey (not a lock at 3), than the casual fan.
    might be true, but theAthletic is behind the pay wall for some of us.

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    I don't know if Givoney has an agenda. but I do think he is absolutely clueless about basketball. he built his career on collecting some numbers (nothing wrong about that) on DX and building a data base people liked to visit.

    his basketball "knowledge" is as simple as "player X will be a great defender, because he has a long wingspan" and "player Y is a great shooter because I saw him in a workout hitting 10 shots in a row".

    his lack of a basketball mind was camouflaged by Schmitz and now Woo.
    His DraftExpress site was probably the best draft material in the days before draft YouTube took off. It was comprehensive in its articles and analysis. He changed a lot when he went to ESPN, as so many people do. Poor content, lazy analysis, and the shadow of bias. The unusual ESPN/Disney stuff nowadays.

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    Man, Fears has some Westbrook like shoulders. His body could definitely be NBA-caliber. I missed that in the few games i saw him play.

    I'd love to see Tre and Kon go head-to-head.

    10 more days until we know our picks.

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    With news of Pop's retirement from coaching, Cooper Flagg has announced he is returning to Duke.

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    I think the Spurs announcing Pop’s retirement and Mitch Johnson’s hiring signals they won’t do any dramatic roster changes this offseason. They will only trade the picks for future picks. This being a really good and deep draft I think they will use both picks unless they get a great offer. They will definitely pick if they move up. They are not trading a top-4 pick! I also think the Spurs would be wise to stay away from projects and draft more high floor and ready made prospects. Get Mitch some players that can play!

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    I think the Spurs announcing Pop’s retirement and Mitch Johnson’s hiring signals they won’t do any dramatic roster changes this offseason. They will only trade the picks for future picks. This being a really good and deep draft I think they will use both picks unless they get a great offer. They will definitely pick if they move up. They are not trading a top-4 pick! I also think the Spurs would be wise to stay away from projects and draft more high floor and ready made prospects. Get Mitch some players that can play!
    Slightly feel this way as well since not too confident on Mitch at the moment working with vets like Durant or Giannis. I could be wrong though.

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