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spurms should hire our armchair shooting coaches tbh.
Yeah no. Sochan isn’t ready to be shooting fade aways and pull up three pointers. If we take your elementary basketball analogy like you say then why would Sochan even be taking these shots? He hasn’t mastered his set shot at all. You don’t teach a kid a fade away before he masters his regular shot. You don’t teach pull up threes if he can’t even consistently make set shots. Eventually he can be shooting these types of shots (well maybe lol) but he isn’t there yet.
Shooting fundamentals isn’t as hard as these gurus think it is once you get the form down. It’s just boring. You start close to the rim and shoot 100. You take a step back and shoot another 100. You do this at different angles towards the basket. But anytime I see nonshooters posting their 3 point shots I’m just thinking to myself man you’re focusing on the wrong thing. After Sochan actually masters the damn fundamentals then he can start doing pull ups and fade aways and step backs.
spurms should hire our armchair shooting coaches tbh.
i saw those euros. there was a very good reason for him not taking triples, the team didn't need him to and he was dominant in transition or just being a fast big.
You mean if he's good? That doesn't make much sense
I'm afraid the main issue with Sochan is located between his ears
First I don't care nor need to see videos of his summer hustle, it's IG level of pointlessness
Secondly, gym training is about technique and conditioning, not game situations despite all the exercises you can imagine. You raise your BBIQ and true bb level with real oppositions, and I hope there are some scheduled in his summer regimen.
His NT won't teach us much bc of his role (surrounded by shooters he won't be expected to show off his 3) and the particularity of international bb, far from the NBA style and needs
Again showing you don't like wasting time thinking before you post
Not what I said
yeah man!
spurs players should spend their time at whataburger and stop working out on basketball courts!
it really bothers me too!
in moron
So apparently practicing in the gym with professional trainers is a giant zero burger.
What should he be doing in the summer then?
Source: Trust me bro
I'll go with decades worth of applicable experience on this one. What your suggesting is likely a small portion of his warm up. Creating balance and a centered form is essential to being a good shooter. There's nothing wrong at all with him expanding past shoot straight a hundred times.
Without a doubt you should learn the fundamentals for the form you want. The top 10 shooters in the league all have their own version of form. He's clearly found the shot he wants and is now working on consistency and rhythm. Basic fundamental approach to shooting.
I mean I didn’t invent this stuff man. Many great shooters talk about doing what I say. Reggie Miller, Steve Smith, Chris Mullins, Larry Bird, Dennis Scott. They all mention about how they focused on their midrange to help build to their 3 point shot instead of just shooting a bunch of threes all the time. And I didn’t say right shoot straight at the rim. I clearly said at different angles. Also he clearly doesn’t practice these shots. Since you don’t trust me as a source do your own research and come back to me with his shooting percentage on shots 10-16 feet from the basket. Post his shooting percentage and then tell me with a straight face he has mastered these shots.
You keep saying basic fundamentals without actually adhering to what you’re saying. Fade away 3s that’s just basic fundamentals guys. Pull up jumpers. Just basic fundamentals guys. Those aren’t basic at all and they aren’t even ing fundamentals. Like you can on me all you want but the fact is that Sochan isn’t ready for this . Because he doesn’t have his actual basic fundamentals down.
Wow there’s a lot of anger here for no reason. I’m not saying that Sochan shouldn’t be working out or in a gym. I’m saying that he should be working on what he is actually going to be doing in game. He isn’t ready for these work outs. If a guys shot is so bad that he is literally scared to shoot the ball then you don’t just make him shoot fade away 3s and pull up jumpers over the offseason. He isn’t going to be taking those shots. He needs thousands of shots of literally 12 feet out. Left side, middle, right side. Then 14 feet and etc etc. There’s no skipping steps in shooting.
Look at a guy like Kawhi. They completely restructured his shot. We all know this. But did they have him focus on 3 point shooting? No they didn’t. They had him focus on midrange. And then he expanded out to the 3 point line and guess what he became a deadly shooter. If you’re going to train a guy then do it right. Dude shot 28% from 15-19 feet out. 35% from 10-14 feet. But sure their way is totally working and I’m wrong along with some of the greatest shooters who have ever lived.
What are you talking about? What you said is without a doubt part of what he's doing. Even Castle was doing that in his warm-ups before he went into his drills with the Whisperer. That's basic warm up stuff and you're saying sochan should be doing it. Bro, everyone does it for everything. Your advice was to do what everyone does in shoot around every day.
Every shot is a straight shot to the rim. The rim is round. Once again, people who actually play and coach understand these concepts. Whether you're on the left or the right, you're shooting straight forward. The most common issue for bad shooting, is a lack of balance and a lack of centering yourself before letting the shot go. That's literally what the majority of castle's footage is. They have him do a bunch of hopping and jumping sideways and all around before shooting because it helps establish grounding yourself in a real game setting. That is basic fundamentals to shooting. Creating sports specific exercises to tune your shot is the core part of any jump shooters program. Basic stuff that volunteer little league coaches are running.
No one claimed he mastered a shot? What in the world are you talking about? Steph curry hasn't mastered a shot. It's why he practices his shot so much. Kevin Durant hasn't mastered his shot, its why he practices his shot so much. If the goal was mastering a shot bro, you already lost reality. The goal is improving. Dudes shot clearly improved. Take a video of his 2 hitch drop shot and the one he has this summer and there's a day and night difference. I'm not crapping on you. I'm just pointing out the silliness of hating on a dude for clearly improving.
Your posts suggest that you've either done some coaching or worked with shooters before, or at minimum know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting.
I myself don't know about shooting progression, so I was wondering if you could comment on his form from his pre-draft workout (linked below) versus now. It seems like his shot was deconstructed with the hitch built in and now he's getting rid of the hitch. To my completely untrained eye, his shot doesn't look that different now compared to pre-draft, but maybe you could shed some light on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sarzUqkqT4c
Just like at the putting green, never practice your 10 ft putt until you’ve mastered your 5.ft putt /s
My point, since you don’t understand is that it shouldn’t be his warm up. It should be basically his whole shoot around. He hasn’t improved you . He shot 28% from 14-19 feet. How is that improvement? How is that good? All of these work outs and he shot 28%. He shot 35% from 10-16 feet. Where the is the improvement? I am ting on you. Maybe to your low ass standards that is improvement bc his form ing changed but who gives a if his form ing changed if he doesn’t actually make the ing shot in game. You’re asking what is talking about well what the are you talking about? He improved guys. All I’ve heard for 3 years now is how much his shot has improved. Every ing offseason it’s the same . Guys look at his form. It’s improved. He shoots 28% but it’s an improved shot. Well maybe he will shoot 30% this year from 10-16 feet with his improved shot.
Steph Curry has made in shoot around 96 out of 100 3s. I would say that he has mastered his set shot pretty ing well. Klay Thompson has made 95 out of 100. KD makes consistently upper 80s out of 100 in three point shots. you go tell KD he hasn’t mastered his shot and see what insult he will give you. I’m not the one out of reality. You’re just the part of Spurstalk who watches a ing 30 second video and takes it as gospel that it’s improving bc his form changed.
I am willing to bet 100 bucks to you that Sochan shoots under 35% from 3 with this new form (which is under league average btw) shoots less than 40% from 10-14 feet and 35% 15-19. All of which is below league average shooting percentage.
And if volunteer little league coaches are teaching this then why didn’t they teach it to Sochan? The way you talk everyone at a young age is a ing master at shooting. They teach a lot of now that doesn’t work to kids nowadays that’s just a waste of time. Everyone thinks they reinvented the wheel with basketball. They didn’t.
If Sochan still sucks at shooting this year then please refrain from ever talking about his form and his work outs again. And if he improves to league average (I’m not even saying above average) then I will pay you 100 bucks and bow down to your wisdom
to be fair, he does. Plenty of videos of him shooting midranges in those workout videos. And what you are alluding to is what he works on pregame everytime.
He has visibly improved his form by anyone with eyes to see. That is not arguable. You're just hanging on to strings bro. Have a good day.
he still has a hitch on set shots and when moving to the left, moving to the right is less prominent. probably won't shoot it like a wing but if they can run some pick and pop where he has some time to move or relocate a little to the right could be a huge upgrade on how he can survive on offense. since we have two lefty downhill lead guards it kinda works.
You don't think Sochan can hit four more shots than he did over 91 attempts next year? That's all it would take to get to .351. He shot 28 for 91 for .308, only four more makes would get him to 32/91 for .351.
He needs to shoot better on a higher volume and good enough to draw defenders out to guard him or else he's still not good.
0:50 timestamp.
That was three years ago.
We obviously can't say that Jeremy isn't trying to improve, but I'll curb my expectations since he's shown no actual in-game improvement for three years. Until he at least starts taking shots he needs to within the flow of the offense, he's a non-shooter for all intents and purposes.
Can he change that? Obviously, we've seen it happen with a lot of players. But these social media videos aren't worth until he proves it in game. Eurobasket will be a good test for him.
Sochans biggest issues were his consistency with using his left hand to push and his inability to keep his right elbow in and aligned. His center was never the same. His follow through from step to release was mismanaged and would veer out quite a bit. This is a common issue with shooters who learn to shoot early which is surprising because people always say he was raised playing ball but he wasnt. His family played ball and coached him but he didn't actually start real ball early. There was an interview where Dylan Harper said his mom didn't allow him to take a shot until middle school. He could only drive to score and he would get in trouble if he did take a shot, which is explains why he's so craft getting down hill and scoring and isn't as refined as a shooter. This is more and more common as people realize how many bad mechanics kids develop young. They aren't strong enough and lean on their left hand, or pushing the elbow out to put more push in the chest than the tricep etc. Common body mechanics that can override what the shooter wants to do. Sochan had those issues.
Free throws are an easier place to evalute those types of things. I"m sure this is why they focused on the one handed balancing routine to realign his mechanics. He was a capable shooter but his shooting percentages were always up and down. Has a lot to do with not having consistent centered shooting mechanics. Consequences of bad follow through and consistence form is what plagued sochan and it was evident in the percentages.
As much as people hate the hitch so much, it's like you said, you rebuild the form in steps to get a structured and consistent follow through. People always critique shooting coaches creating a hitch in shooters. It happens all the time, they just notice it when its a popular name or someone they're invested in. I'll once again refer to the stephon castle training videos where he is coached to stop with the ball in his shooting form, practicing a hitch as people would call it, and then release. This is a long term adjustment they made with Sochan which is why I always doubt any rumors of trades etc with Sochan unless it's a really big one. They're not letting him go for a rental unless he wants way too much money or just doesnt want to be in san antonio. They've invested long term programs with him. Whether it works out or not is to be seen but he is definitely developing on track, albeit not at the pace fans would want I suppose. He was too busy learning how to be one of the best iso defenders in the league, darn him.
The argument has never been that he doesn't need to improve or shoot more. People are literally coming on here and saying he hasn't gotten better. Everyone knows free throw percentage is as good an indicator as you can get for a good shot. His free throw percentage has improved. Drastically. That alone proves he has gotten better outside of the obvious visual cues. In that video, you can see his elbow go out quite a bite. You see it in his high dribble too. It was just a mechanic he did a lot. That's improved. You see it less. That's better, for all intents and purposes. Has he become the perfect player people want him to be? No. I dont think he will be perfect either, call me crazy. His low volume is directly relegated to the lineups and roles he had as well. He played a lot of center. He played next to wemby and vassell and johnson. These guys are chuckers and he's often tasked with being the cleanup guy. People whine and complain about Wemby not being about to play freely because of the lack of big help, well that affected sochan as well he just wasn't the priority wemby was with getting shots. People can want him to be a high volume shooter all they want, but if that's not his role, its not his role. He would pass up shots, absolutely. He should in most cases. Like other players in the league, he would also pass up shots he should take. It happens. As originally said, he needs to improve there. No ones arguing he should take less shots.
His role was the screen and dive guy to clean up the glass, which he became MUCH better at last year. My biggest issue has always been he was not a good rebounder. This is without a doubt the biggest thing that would keep him from being a player in the spurs system. He has to be able to rebound and he honestly was pretty poor the first couple years. He did way better with that last year in actual games, not the garbage time most of the spurs season is.
People enjoying seeing players work on the part of the game that is criticized is not a bad thing. There's just a ton of negative nancys who come on here to whine and complain about everything and anything. That's clearly more of a personal issue and has very little to do with the actual games.
Sochan is a good young player who is becoming better.
It improved instantly after he started doing one handed routine and it's been at around the same level ever since. He actually went from 77% in 23-24 to 70% in 24-25 season.
He shouldn't when the other team is actively daring him to shoot and we're effectively playing 4v5 if he's standing on the perimeter.He would pass up shots, absolutely. He should in most cases.
There were quite a few late shot clock situations where he had mental collapses and didn't know what to do because he got the ball uncontested at 3pt line.
That can happen. You can be a terrible shooter, but you can't look lost when you get the ball. Either attempt that low percentage shot in rythm or have a solution in mind as the ball is flying towards you.
I said it myself a couple of times that he'd be a good rotation piece for some teams, but the issue is that he's becoming less and less suited for this roster because we keep adding guards who prefer to attack the paint and need shooters around them.Sochan is a good young player who is becoming better.
And that's fine, role players usually have specific skillset and have to complement stars of the team. If Jeremy doesn't manage to do so in this upcoming season we move on. That doesn't mean he can't be useful elsewhere.
I think we should pack all ten men in the paint and have Wemby tip rebounds to himself.
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