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correted, but
you're an asshole, you know this.
1. no hitting
2. no kicking
3. no spitting
4. no cursing
5. no knives
6. no guns
7. no drugs
8. no short skirts
9. no racist t shirts
10. no religious stuff
11. no kissing
12. no yelling at teachers
13. no shooting the middle finger
14. no bringing clock bombs to school
15. no making fun of teachers
16. no making fun of each other
etc.
ets.
correted, but
you're an asshole, you know this.
liberal solution to education:
ANYTHING beats you rightwingnuts' "solutions" to education.liberal solution to education:
so...did you have a solution? to your thread? how to fix public schools. I didn't see it.
yeah it looks like this
public schools and their teachers have been so effectively trashed for so long, all of which will continue from you rightwingnuts duped by the VRWC, that improving K-12 will be extremely difficult because the VRWC and their Repug hitmen will block any solutions, while keeping tax payers $Ts flowing to charter school scams.
So more give up. Check.
what are your suggestions, chicken
Probably need to read the thread again, less.
Of course, however there are policies that don't work but because of lawsuit threat and no child left behind, nobody speaks out...if you remove all the wankers or clowns who dont want to learn, and just leave the nerds or fill up the test school with nerds, u telling me those nerds alone isnt enough to turn around a schools rating?
Again:
The public and politicians have not made it clear what they want out of public schools. Honors classes in well to do schools with parents that care do as well as any in the world. Schools in urban blight, teaching kids from homes where mom is the only parent and working do extremely poorly. By the time the kids in these impoverished areas reach puberty they have already fallen way behind. At this stage they are warehoused for 9.5 months so the police don't have to deal with them.
The public schools mimic the socioeconomics of the area they serve. So now go from here with the solutions. We put out the best and worst students in the world. And it's not surprising.
Yet there are schools that can be successful in such situations...it all begins with parent involvement though.....there has to be someone responsible at home or in the community otherwise, any plan will collapse...Schools in urban blight, teaching kids from homes where mom is the only parent and working do extremely poorly. By the time the kids in these impoverished areas reach puberty they have already fallen way behind. At this stage they are warehoused for 9.5 months so the police don't have to deal with them.
Absolutely.
But this is very difficult.
Anecdotal situation, sorry, but I can't help myself. I helped with a school in a a well to do area that also contained a segment of government housing. The kids from these apartment complexes were failing badly. I helped set up a system whereby the parents were invited to a school get together for those entering Elementary school. Food served, books given out, talking to the parents about teaching the kids letters and numbers BEFORE they entered. Then every grading period after that, food, merriment, and updates. Police helped out voluntarily I might add. So follow this for a while. Many of the families are transient and just left even though they were at a "good" school. Families with older kids that had already experienced failure were, for the most part, a horrible influence. We helped enough kids to get their Elementary a raised State mark, but overall, it was a failure IMO, but not to some of the schools that received their better scores. (Pat administrator on the back and send them to central office; and some admin. were utterly clueless; they could not figure out the simplest of logistics and had no idea where to start or did not care to try)
Middle school and HS proved almost impossible as I reasoned but they wanted to try anyway. The parents were already embarrassed of their kid's standing and did not even show up at the scheduled events right in their own apartment complex for the most part. The parents and kids that did show were already successful.
Conclusion: Schools asked to be a semi surrogate family does not work for the vast majority of kids.
Especially the older ones. If we could all take one home and care for them we might get somewhere (strike Avante from this hypothetical volunteer group)
Now I expect anecdotal great news from some private group running a charter which is most likely horse caca.
Better teachers move on to better schools....more support, better kids......poor districts, those that need better teachers, get left with first year or career teachers... first year teachers often quit teaching or move on to other districts by their third year...why is it there are some high achieving public schools, but that same formula cant be used in other public schools?
In SA that would be well-to-do....the avg. household income is less than $50K...u notice those high achieving public schools only exists in working class suburbs, im talkin about suburbs where the the household income is at leasts above 120k plus
any thoughts that the problem might start in the home? Parents not stressing the importance of education or worse, not instilling in their child any sense of personal responsibility.
WTF? what have public schools provided for the last 100+ years that "Made America Great" (c)?
America has changed if you have not noticed. Families used to be large and kids helped with labor.
Get real... Last 100 years...
how has "America changed" that made public schools so bad they have to be destroyed?
There have always been bad public schools. The rural country schools taught rudimentary skills to farm kids. Because that's what many children did, became farmers. Now we obviously have the technology to solve many labor intensive jobs. Where have you been?
boutons is allergic to holding individuals responsible for the upbringing of their children.
Serious question?
Students are better prepared, often receive outside tutoring, typically have all the resources they need, usually have greater parental interest in their performance, etc.
Parents of students at these wealthier high achieving public schools probably are more likely to hold admins and teachers accountable for their performance as well.
Yes.
Yes again.
Same with those who go to high cost private prep schools. The basic formula for creating good and bad schools is generally well known. How to fix the poor schools is very tough as they mimic the surrounding socioeconomic situation. There are some unique situations where magnate schools have done a good job in teaching less fortunate kids who want to learn. Parental involvement is an absolutely huge driving force though.
The statistics show a very clear trend. Single parent mom not at home much with teenage sons with little to no guidance = big trouble. And daughters much more likely to have an early child. This is not a mystery in general. It's a vicious cycle.
Arne Duncan’s Race to the Bottom: Our national test fixation isn’t just bad for kids — it doesn’t even work
The president's surprise announcement that testing is out of control is more than welcome: The tests deserve an F
Sometimes events happen that seem to be disconnected, but after a few days or weeks, the pattern emerges.
Consider this:
On October 2, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan announced that he was resigning and planned to return to Chicago. Former New York Commissioner of Education John King, who is a clone of Duncan in terms of his belief in testing and charter schools, was designated to take Duncan’s place.
On October 23, the Obama administration held a surprise news conference to declare that testing was out of control and should be reduced to not more than 2 percent of classroom time. Actually, that wasn’t a true reduction, because 2 percent translates into between 18-24 hours of testing, which is a staggering amount of annual testing for children in grades 3-8 and not different from the status quo in most states.
Disconnected events?
Not at all. Here comes the pattern-maker: the federal tests called the National Assessment of Educational Progress released its every-other-year report card in reading and math, and the results were dismal. There would be many excuses offered, many rationales, but the bottom line: the NAEP scores are an embarrassment to the Obama administration (and the George W. Bush administration that preceded it).
For nearly 15 years, Presidents Bush and Obama and the Congress have bet billions of dollars—both federal and state– on a strategy of testing, accountability, and choice.
They believed that if every student was tested in reading and mathematics every year from grades 3 to 8, test scores would go up and up.
In those schools where test scores did not go up, the principals and teachers would be fired and replaced. Where scores didn’t go up for five years in a row, the schools would be closed.
Thousands of educators were fired, and thousands of public schools were closed, based on the theory that sticks and carrots, rewards and punishments, would improve education.
But the 2015 NAEP scores released today by the National Assessment Governing Board (a federal agency) showed that Arne Duncan’s $4.35 billion Race to the Top program had flopped.
It also showed that George W. Bush’s No Child Left Behind was as phony as the “Texas education miracle” of 2000, which Bush touted as proof of his education credentials.
In his Race to the Top program, Duncan made testing the primary purpose of education. Scores had to go up every year, because the entire nation was “racing to the top.”
Only 12 states won a share of the $4.35 billion that Duncan was given by Congress: Tennessee and Delaware were first to win, in 2010. The next round, the following states won multi-millions of federal dollars to double down on testing: Maryland, Massachusetts, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, and Rhode Island.
Tennessee, Duncan’s showcase state in 2013, made no gains in reading or mathematics, neither in fourth grade or eighth grade. The black-white test score gap was as large in 2015 as it had been in 1998, before either NCLB or the Race to the Top.
The results in mathematics were bleak across the nation, in both grades 4 and 8. The declines nationally were only 1 or 2 points, but they were significant in a national assessment on the scale of NAEP.
In fourth-grade mathematics, the only jurisdictions to report gains were the District of Columbia, Mississippi, and the Department of Defense schools.
Sixteen states had significant declines in their math scores, and thirty-three were flat in relation to 2013 scores.
The scores in Tennessee (the $500 million winner) were flat.
In eighth grade, the lack of progress in mathematics was universal.
Twenty-two states had significantly lower scores than in 2013, while 30 states or jurisdictions had flat scores. Pennsylvania, Kansas, and Florida (a Race to the Top winner), were the biggest losers, by dropping six points. Among the states that declined by four points were Race to the Top winners Ohio, North Carolina, and Massachusetts. Maryland, Hawaii, New York, and the District of Columbia lost two points. The scores in Tennessee were flat.
The best single word to describe NAEP 2015 is stagnation.
Contrary to President George W. Bush’s law, many children have been left behind by the strategy of test-and-punish.
Contrary to the Obama administration’s Race to the Top program, the mindless reliance on standardized testing has not brought us closer to some mythical “Top.”
Disgusted with the testing regime, experienced teachers leave and enrollments in teacher education programs fall.
The past dozen or so years have been a time when “reformers” like Arne Duncan, Mic e Rhee, Joel Klein, and Bill Gates proudly claimed that they were disrupting school systems and destroying the status quo. Now the “reformers” have become the status quo, and we have learned that disruption is not good for children or education.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/arne...snt_even_work/
"Some think" that an (economically) advanced country like USA would know, at this point many decades after compulsory education, how THE to teach K-12.
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History of education in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_the_United_States#Religion _and_schools
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More Countries Pass U.S. by in Education Rankings
http://www.uschamberfoundation.org/b...ation-rankings
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