New Michael Brown shooting witnesses describe scene

[Fabbs]

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Please provide evidence that the autopsy done by Parcells company was done with a licensed pathologist.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Please provide evidence that the autopsy done by Parcells company was done with a licensed pathologist.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/pathologist...versy/28234292

Dr. Baden performed the autopsy. I myself make no claims one way or the other regarding his findings but Baden's credentials are well do ented.

[Fabbs]

http://www.kmbc.com/news/pathologist...versy/28234292

Dr. Baden performed the autopsy. I myself make no claims one way or the other regarding his findings but Baden's credentials are well do ented.

Ok thank you. I think Badens was the 2nd one done? With yet a 3rd Federal one to be done?
At any rate, Badens findings in part:

Dr. Michael Baden, who conducted the autopsy at the request of Brown's family, talked to Bill Hemmer by phone this morning. His findings do not line up with witnesses who have claimed that Wilson shot Brown from behind.

"This autopsy shows that there wasn't any gunshot wounds in his back. Some people thought they saw that. An autopsy helps organize which witness testimony is more reliable," he said.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok thank you. I think Badens was the 2nd one done? With yet a 3rd Federal one to be done?
At any rate, Badens findings in part:

Dr. Michael Baden, who conducted the autopsy at the request of Brown's family, talked to Bill Hemmer by phone this morning. His findings do not line up with witnesses who have claimed that Wilson shot Brown from behind.

"This autopsy shows that there wasn't any gunshot wounds in his back. Some people thought they saw that. An autopsy helps organize which witness testimony is more reliable," he said.

There is some uncertainty as to which of the 10 or so shots officer stadanko fired actually hit Brown. There is no question that the cop was shooting at Brown as he was running away.

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There is some uncertainty as to which of the 10 or so shots officer stadanko fired actually hit Brown. There is no question that the cop was shooting at Brown as he was running away.

Horse !

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Horse !

Find me a testimony that does not include a shot or shots being fired causing Brown to turn around. Even the witnesses that say that he charged or may have charged say that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Find me a testimony that does not include a shot or shots being fired causing Brown to turn around. Even the witnesses that say that he charged or may have charged say that.

Can you please provide the testimonies that you are referencing?

[Fabbs]

There is no question that the cop was shooting at Brown as he was running away.

Yes i think you already mentioned that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can you please provide the testimonies that you are referencing?

For you dumb and lazy ass? Nah.

Take off the front panel of your circuit breaker and reach behind the breakers and grab the rails.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes i think you already mentioned that.

I'm most interested in testimony from some who was not a close friend of Mike Brown. Trying to pin the most obviously biased interview on me is fun I guess.

That interview does say he shot at the fleeing Brown as does the one of the two girls always with the attorney and the guy that lived in the apartment across the street. He was the one that mimed Brown turning around with his hands up and then folding in on himself as he was being shot to death. There is the guy that stupid keeps citing about Brown coming back at Wilson after the being shot at.

The one I find most credible are the contractors that I keep citing as they are not from the neighborhood and are objective observers who were working in the area at the time of the shooting.

[TheSanityAnnex]

For you dumb and lazy ass? Nah.

Take off the front panel of your circuit breaker and reach behind the breakers and grab the rails.

You clearly don't trust your testimonies either.

Nice nerd burn bth.
my circuits
my breakers


post your testimonies coward

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You clearly don't trust your testimonies either.

Nice nerd burn bth.
my circuits
my breakers


post your testimonies coward

reread the thread. I posted the contractors St Louis Dispatch article. then you spammed a bunch of and circle jerked it with chump and fabbs for a few days. not my problem. This is exactly what I am talking about in terms of you being stupid and lazy though. Underscores it quite clearly.

obviously fear is the motivation behind my actions. . .

Now go see if you can disembowel yourself with an ar-15.

[TheSanityAnnex]

reread the thread. I posted the contractors St Louis Dispatch article. then you spammed a bunch of and circle jerked it with chump and fabbs for a few days. not my problem. This is exactly what I am talking about in terms of you being stupid and lazy though. Underscores it quite clearly.

obviously fear is the motivation behind my actions. . .

Now go see if you can disembowel yourself with an ar-15.

Didn't work, gun jammed.

Lol @ only considering white people testimony credible.

[TheSanityAnnex]

CNN Breaking News ?@cnnbrk 3m3 minutes ago
Investigation into Michael Brown's shooting death "basically completed," prosecutor says.



I'm hearing through the law enforcement grapevine no indictment

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dip finally caught up to last week.

If there is no indictment the St Louis prosecutor speaking to the end of the investigation stated that if there was no indictment the evidence presented would be made public.

Kindy: There are concerns about civil unrest if the jury does not indict Officer Wilson. Are you doing anything different because of those concerns?

McCulloch: “Everything that the grand jury hears — all the testimony and all the physical evidence — will be released to the public if there is no indictment. People will be able to see everything regardless of what happens.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...uson-shooting/

The link is the STL prosecutor speaking to the end of the investigation.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You are such a ing tool Fuzzy. I already posted this information on page 12 of this very thread, thanks for trying to present it as if it was some new information you stupid . My post from page 12.

Fresh new page. Lets get back on topic and stop trying to claim either internet sleuths accounts as facts because to do so is just silly. So Wilson testified in front of the grand jury for four hours with no lawyer present, looks like he has nothing to hide.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cri...ile_touch=true

CLAYTON • Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson testified here for almost four hours Tuesday in front of the St. Louis County grand jury investigating his shooting Aug. 9 of Michael Brown, a source with knowledge of the investigation said Wednesday.

Wilson was not obligated to appear, and also has spoken with St. Louis County investigators twice and federal investigators once, the source said. The source said Wilson was “cooperative.”
A spokesman for Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch’s office, Ed Magee, refused to comment Wednesday on who had testified.


The shooting of Brown, 18, who was black and unarmed, by Wilson, who is white, gave rise to racially charged protests and looting. Some activists have threatened more of the same if the grand jury does not indict Wilson.

Police have said that Brown struggled with Wilson before being shot. Brown’s family and some witnesses have said Brown was surrendering when he died. Others who have spoken publicly said it was not clear what Brown was doing when he turned toward Wilson after fleeing from their initial encounter.

McCulloch has pledged to present every witness and every shred of evidence to let the grand jurors independently decide whether to indict Wilson, without the prosecutor making a recommendation. Magee has said that prosecutors will help witnesses navigate legal issues.

Veteran defense attorney John Rogers, who is not involved in this case, said Wednesday, “It’s unusual but not unheard of for a prosecutor to extend an invitation” for the target of an investigation to testify to a grand jury. He said he had rarely allowed it.

Witnesses cannot take their attorneys inside the grand jury chamber, although the witnesses may interrupt the proceedings to go outside for a consultation.

“You don’t always want to preview what your defense would be at such an early stage,” Rogers explained. He added, “I would only consider allowing my client to testify at a grand jury proceeding if I was convinced that the prosecutor presenting the evidence to the (grand jury) was convinced that his testimony would help them reach the decision not to indict.”
Attorney Chet Pleban, who is not part of this case but has represented a number of accused police officers, said that sworn grand jury testimony could be used in any state or federal prosecution, potentially exposing the witness to damaging questions.

“The problem in this case is, one way or the other, his story had to be told in order for this grand jury to know what was in his mind,” Pleban said. “And I don’t know any way to accomplish that other than to have him testify.”


Wilson must convince grand jurors that he acted in reasonable fear of death or serious injury, Pleban said, “And he’s pretty much the only one that can do that.”

Evidence is being presented to a grand jury that was empaneled before the shooting, with a term recently extended at the prosecutor’s request to Jan. 7. At one point, McCulloch had predicted a decision in October.
The pace remains uncertain, but Tiffany Mitc , a witness to the shooting who has spoken publicly about what she saw, has not yet been subpoenaed, her attorney, Peter Cohen, said Wednesday.
McCulloch took the rare step of having audio recordings and a transcript made of the secret proceedings, with a promise to release them publicly if there is no indictment. Magee acknowledged that opening the material would require an order from a judge, who could say no.

Jim Cohen, an associate professor of law at Fordham University, told the Post-Dispatch last month that grand jury material had rarely been made public anywhere, even to scholars researching historical cases. He also worried that fear of being publicly identified might inhibit witnesses.

Magee said McCulloch’s office had talked about the potential effect on witnesses “a little bit” and “it’s still being discussed.” He said prosecutors could decide to withhold witness names, especially those who are not police officers and may have particular safety issues.

He said the names of the grand jurors would not be made public, and it was unclear whether do ents would be released that necessarily would carry the foreperson’s signature.

Magee said the timing of the announcement of the grand jury’s decision, once it’s made, was “still being discussed.”
McCulloch urged on Aug. 13 that “anyone and everyone” with relevant information come forward. He said then: “Absolutely everything will be presented to the grand jury, every scrap of paper that we have, every photograph that was taken, every bit of physical evidence that has been gathered, every video clip, anything that we can get.”
“Every witness who has anything at all to say will be presented to the grand jury,” he promised.

McCulloch has delegated management of the grand jury to two assistants: Kathi Alizadeh and Sheila Whirley. Alizadeh, who is white, is a homicide prosecutor with 27 years of experience. Whirley, who is black, has the grand jury assignment, with 18 years of experience.

You stupid ass smug little , looks like you finally caught up to last week.

[pgardn]

http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-pro...-police-267357

This reeks. He is not the guy to handle the Grand Jury. Too many of the articles like the above.

[ChumpDumper]

CNN Breaking News ?@cnnbrk 3m3 minutes ago
Investigation into Michael Brown's shooting death "basically completed," prosecutor says.



I'm hearing through the law enforcement grapevine no indictment

AR15 forum?

[TheSanityAnnex]

AR15 forum?

Policeone.com

[TheSanityAnnex]

Breaking new witness testimony

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitnes...oting-missouri



“I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close,” said Johnson, who said he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer when the first of several shots was fired at the teen. Johnson says he feared for his life as he watched the officer squeezing off shot after shot.

About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.
The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”
After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.
Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed.
Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.


“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”
“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”
At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun.
“I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.”
A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off.
“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”
Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.
“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.


“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.


Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney, told msnbc that the police have yet to interview Johnson. Bosley said that he offered the police an opportunity to speak with Johnson, but they declined.
“They didn’t even want to talk to him,” said Bosley, a former mayor of St. Louis. “They don’t want the facts. What they want is to justify what happened … what they are trying to do now is justify what happened instead of trying to point out the wrong. Something is wrong here and that’s what it is.”

[pgardn]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z3

whoa...

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z3

whoa...

Not trolling. Why are Blacks so deceitful?

[pgardn]

Not trolling. Why are Blacks so deceitful?

So you think blacks lie to you more than whites?

In my experience, I don't really notice a difference.

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So you think blacks lie to you more than whites?

In my experience, I don't really notice a difference.

Um ya I kinda do. You have Nigerian scammers and the Blacks in the USA portray themselves to be wealthier and have more going for them than they actually do. Must not look much farther than the penis myth.

I am far more caution to believe something coming out of a Blacks mouth than any other race. Sometimes it feels like I'm listening to a Rap.

Sure Mexicans have a tendency to blindly rally against authority but even with them you have Browns living in Arizona that hold their own to a standard. I just don't see that with Blacks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Dip finally caught up to last week.

If there is no indictment the St Louis prosecutor speaking to the end of the investigation stated that if there was no indictment the evidence presented would be made public.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...uson-shooting/

The link is the STL prosecutor speaking to the end of the investigation.

Thanks for the bump. Forgot about Fuzzy's shotgun to the foot moment.