Peter Holt and Red McCombs willing to invest in the Oakland Raiders ...

[ChumpDumper]

Being in the NY market, we get screwed by NFL TV rules all the time because CBS can't show a game when the Giants are at home, and Fox with Jets at home (some exceptions when inter-conference games carried on other network, plus prime-time).

This is not the case in Texas, as CBS may push for one of the Raiders or Texans to play late games (Raiders likely, given West division). So theoretically on CBS doubleheader weekends, fans could end up with games featuring all three Texas teams unless there's another compelling Game of the Week in the 3pm CT slot.

As importantly, this extends interest in the AFC West throughout the country, creating more interest in Texas in games featuring the Chargers, Chiefs and Broncos. Bay Area will still get those games, as fans will either stick with Raiders or convert to Chargers / Niners / Rams.

But is that a net gain over where they are now?

The math just seems fuzzy to me.

[spurraider21]

Will you still root for the Raiders if they leave Cali?

Absolutely

[cjw]

But is that a net gain over where they are now?

The math just seems fuzzy to me.

There's no net gain necessarily, it's just about it not being a huge hole. It's not like the Bay Area is lost as a market plus Raiders fans are pretty dispersed throughout the country.

I'm not sold on the Mexican market growth. Economy is on solid footing and opening up. However, this was sort of already tried with Buffalo - it's not like the Bills are Canada's team.

[BatManu20]

Donny talking about dead relatives at the kid's birthday party as usual.

[CubanMustGo]

Only 1.5 billion reasons the Raiders won't move here ... the number of dollars it would cost to build a modern NFL facility. Red can blow smoke all he wants but he's not going to foot that kind of bill for a stadium, and the taxpayers of New Braunfels (lol) where Davis has supposedly purchased land aren't going to come up with it, either.

[BatManu20]

[BD24]

The part about Kawhi was cool.

[Rain Man]

Only 1.5 billion reasons the Raiders won't move here ... the number of dollars it would cost to build a modern NFL facility. Red can blow smoke all he wants but he's not going to foot that kind of bill for a stadium, and the taxpayers of New Braunfels (lol) where Davis has supposedly purchased land aren't going to come up with it, either.

Spit that truth

[sasaint]

There's no net gain necessarily, it's just about it not being a huge hole. It's not like the Bay Area is lost as a market plus Raiders fans are pretty dispersed throughout the country.

I'm not sold on the Mexican market growth. Economy is on solid footing and opening up. However, this was sort of already tried with Buffalo - it's not like the Bills are Canada's team.

Not a good comparison. Canada has its own home-grown brand of football. Mexico has futbol.

[K...]

1.5 billion sounds like a lot but that $$$ is a bet on the future.

Also, that money must be spent as the nfl can't allow even a ty franchise from toil away in a second rate arena.

So the game is not, can we afford the team, but can we better afford them better than Oakland, St Louis, etc.

That's why this looks like a done deal. The odds of Oakland outbidding us are slim. Los Angeles could always be an option but raiders are obviously the third option or worse.

[Chinook]

There's no net gain necessarily, it's just about it not being a huge hole. It's not like the Bay Area is lost as a market plus Raiders fans are pretty dispersed throughout the country.

I'm not sold on the Mexican market growth. Economy is on solid footing and opening up. However, this was sort of already tried with Buffalo - it's not like the Bills are Canada's team.

It's not really the same thing. Gridiron football is already a big sport in Canada, so having a sucky NFL teams play there shouldn't do much. The league should look at trying to merge with the CFL if they want to get Canada on board. GFB is relatively ignored in Mexico, but there are a lot of Cowboys fans in the border states. Having a team in a city with a strong Mexican culture/heritage (and one that's 300 miles closer than Dallas) has a chance to be a big draw. Games in Mexico City would be closer to London than they would be to Toronto in terms of spectacle. If the Raiders could secure a game there annually, it would be huge, and unlike the London games, it would be good for their fanbase, as it would still be in-market.

[Chinook]

It's obvious that any team that SA/Cen-Tex/South Texas woos should have to sign a deal like the Glazers did when they had RJS built in Tampa. They're going to need an unbreakable lease for 15-20 years. They're going to have to get at least what STL got out of the Rams to make it worth it.

[Kidd K]

Donny talking about dead relatives at the birthday party as usual.

That dude's a genuine salt mine with those tweets

[Twisted_Dawg]

I'll piss on his statue for bringing Vinny Del Negro in, letting Strickland walk for nothing, and dooming DRob into having mediocre supporting casts in the 90s because of it.

I'll be right behind you to take a dump on his grave. Don't forget the run of horrible coaches Red hired during the Dark Ages of the Spurs. Trading Brikowski because he was a club house lawyer, selling Vernon Maxwell for $50,000 "like a slave" to the Rockets, etc, etc.

[baseline bum]

LOL Don Harris acting like San Antonio is still competing with LA for a team. I stopped listening to that once he disrespected my TSpence.

[Aztecfan03]

yeah, i'm starting to think SA is the most likely outcome tbh

granted, there is a LOOOONG way to go before anything is actually hammered out, but there's been no movement in oakland for 4+ years now, and i doubt they're going to get anything done in SD either

i hope they go there. They deserve to get out of oakland. and i want chargers gone. And SD for raiders isn't likely. just one reason being 3 teams is too much for so cal(partly why chargers will be forced to be the rams red-headed step-child so the raiders don't go there)

[Aztecfan03]

Is Davis even being vilified? It just seems like this is an inevitable parting. Neither Davis nor Oakland can afford to build a new stadium. Their current stadium is falling apart. Short of selling the team to someone willing to dump a ton of money into a new place, I don't see how anyone can expect Davis to handle this differently.

And again, I don't think Austin is keen on getting an NFL team. The best thing about SA being so close is that THEY (y'all) can go ahead and pay for one, and we can just drive down whenever we feel like it. Like I don't want the Spurs in Austin. SA can be the sister city with all the cool stuff, and Austin can be the one with all the money.

Davis just couldn't get it done financially whereas spanos and kroenke both could have but were too busy gunning for LA. Davis shouldn't be villified here.

[Aztecfan03]

the raiders would kill the LA market when it comes to attracting fans. heck, even now when they travel to san diego, raider fans make up of over 50% of the fans in the stadium.

over 50% is exaggerating and that is one game. lot different than filling up 8 games.

[Aztecfan03]

The Raiders should move to San Antonio for three major reasons






1. San Antonio has a built-in stadium: The Rams and Chargers can move to Los Angeles tomorrow; they've got the Rose Bowl and the Coliseum to claim as temporary homes. San Antonio has a similar solution for Davis' team in the aging, but useful Alamodome. That stadium was good enough to house the Katrina-displaced Saints in 2005; it can keep the Raiders satisfied until a new home is built.

Pretty sure one of those (rose bowl i think) declined to let an nfl team play there. and 2005 was a long time ago.

[Aztecfan03]

I doubt Spanos moves this season. So, Davis will have this season in Oaktown to see how things shake out. He has his fingers crossed that San Diego buckles to the NFL-sanctioned opportunity afforded the Chargers to move to LA, and Spanos will decide to remain in San Diego.

Tbh, Jerry Jones' plan was a master stroke for the league. Grant the lone NFC contender the right to relocate and wait to see which AFC team elects to move. Thus, LA is guaranteed both an NFC and an AFC team.

moot point. if chargers and raiders both got LA, one would have switched to nfc with someone.

[BatManu20]

[dabom]

[BatManu20]

John Clayton thinks the Raiders wind up in San Diego after the Chargers take the deal with the Rams in LA.

[spurraider21]

over 50% is exaggerating and that is one game. lot different than filling up 8 games.

not an exaggeration whatsoever. in recent years raider fans constantly outnumber charger fans at qualcomm when they face off

[TheGreatYacht]

Don Harris

The reason SA is having doubts about spending money on Toyota field is because MLS is a dying sport (Have you seen the MLS Finals ratings? 0.4) and SA isn't getting an MLS team, yet. They're getting a second division team lol.

Dude thinks he's preaching too, is the funny part. Isn't that fat a Cowboys fan?