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    I disagree with that. Simmons has shown zero growth and did a few things with scrubs on the court in the 3rd. The first half? He was a borderline disaster on both sides of the floor. No... that 3rd quarter stretch was nothing. He's shown nothing to me yet. I'll give him time, since I have no choice, but this guy is a negative player, overall right now.
    He was one of the few guys who looked like he knew what he was doing. When it was him and guys he knew, he was fine. But he and Arci didn't have much chemistry, which is surprising because of summer league. But his statline was fine for the 11th/15th man that he is. I wouldn't re-sign him based on tonight, but he seems like the best candidate to be an emergency SG.

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    He was one of the few guys who looked like he knew what he was doing. When it was him and guys he knew, he was fine. But he and Arci didn't have much chemistry, which is surprising because of summer league. But his statline was fine for the 11th/15th man that he is. I wouldn't re-sign him based on tonight, but he seems like the best candidate to be an emergency SG.
    Yeah, and the term EMERGENCY should not be used loosely, in that case.
    He's not a good NBA player. He's a good basketball player, but not an NBA player.

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    And in the 1st half, he was one of the guys that absolutely looked lost and had zip grip on what to do correctly.

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    Yeah, and the term EMERGENCY should not be used loosely, in that case.
    He's not a good NBA player. He's a good basketball player, but not an NBA player.
    You know you're preaching to the choir on that. But the other twos look worse, and with Manu being Manu, that matters. The third SG will play.

    And in the 1st half, he was one of the guys that absolutely looked lost and had zip grip on what to do correctly.
    So was Manu.

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    You know you're preaching to the choir on that. But the other twos look worse, and with Manu being Manu, that matters. The third SG will play.

    I do.

    So was Manu.

    No argument.

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    Dude, Simmons blows. He's the same guy from last year. No growth.

    Simmons appears to be a one trick pony. Once the other teams have a chance to scout a player and his tendencies, they WILL have a game plan for how to defend him. (Everybody's good in the NBA, or they wouldn't be there.) Other than a few superstars, nobody can go it alone into the teeth of an NBA defense. I think Simmons hasn't figure that out, and tries to do too much on his own. He's a high-flyer, and pretty good at getting to the rack when he has some space. But he's not very good at picking his spots, and only taking what the defense gives. And he's not nearly enough to do it on his own.

    There's a pretty accepted belief in NBA FO's that by the time a guy gets to be his age, there's no more upside. They're probably right. We all want to believe that a guy can finally get his big break, and be more than he's been. But those things don't happen very often in real life. I think Simmons could still go have one of a career overseas. But I don't see him showing the kind of improvement he needed to be anything more than an afterthought in the NBA. I really wanted him to. But I don't see him being a difference-maker on the Spurs. The problem is, there's no one that I'm excited about if they waived him to clear his roster slot.

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    Simmons appears to be a one trick pony. Once the other teams have a chance to scout a player and his tendencies, they WILL have a game plan for how to defend him. (Everybody's good in the NBA, or they wouldn't be there.) Other than a few superstars, nobody can go it alone into the teeth of an NBA defense. I think Simmons hasn't figure that out, and tries to do too much on his own. He's a high-flyer, and pretty good at getting to the rack when he has some space. But he's not very good at picking his spots, and only taking what the defense gives. And he's not nearly enough to do it on his own.

    There's a pretty accepted belief in NBA FO's that by the time a guy gets to be his age, there's no more upside. They're probably right. We all want to believe that a guy can finally get his big break, and be more than he's been. But those things don't happen very often in real life. I think Simmons could still go have one of a career overseas. But I don't see him showing the kind of improvement he needed to be anything more than an afterthought in the NBA. I really wanted him to. But I don't see him being a difference-maker on the Spurs. The problem is, there's no one that I'm excited about if they waived him to clear his roster slot.
    Yeah... that's the Big Conundrum. Simmons stinks, but there's not anything better down the line at this second. I'm praying that Murray starts figuring ish out super-quickly.
    And I mean super-quickly.

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    Obviously it's still preseason...but this is the second game he has come in and hit big shots to secure a win. He did the same thing in Summer League. Considering that everybody else seem scared to put the ball in the basket...I'd like to see Forbes have a chance to see if he can do it in the big games.

    Also, I know the third string PG position is still a question mark...but I feel like the Spurs can fill that gap between Manu, Murray, and Anderson. Having another scorer off the bench, imo, is a bigger need.
    I agree with you. I didn't want to bring it up myself so emphatically bc I know my CoA fandom would cloud the issue, but the reality is that Anderson is a playmaker. Considering that Pop is not going to play Davis over Lee to provide spacing, if Manu isn't playing they need a shooter more than they need J.Simms. On top of that they have Murray who is a combo guard at the very least, who is also not a shooter at this point in his career.

    And these pickups are to help during the RS. I think tonight...you said it too. It may come down to how much they believe Murray can actually help this season if Tony is out.

    Going back to last season with the tryout Spurs gave to Jimmer. I feel like a player like Forbes was what they had in mind.

    All this and I still feel they pick Lapro and I am going to be disappointed.

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    I agree with you. I didn't want to bring it up myself so emphatically bc I know my CoA fandom would cloud the issue, but the reality is that Anderson is a playmaker. Considering that Pop is not going to play Davis over Lee to provide spacing, if Manu isn't playing they need a shooter more than they need J.Simms. On top of that they have Murray who is a combo guard at the very least, who is also not a shooter at this point in his career.

    And these pickups are to help during the RS. I think tonight...you said it too. It may come down to how much they believe Murray can actually help this season if Tony is out.

    Going back to last season with the tryout Spurs gave to Jimmer. I feel like a player like Forbes was what they had in mind.

    All this and I still feel they pick Lapro and I am going to be disappointed.
    I won't. Not for the 15th guy. Lapro is a decent enough player, should you need some emergency PG minutes. And it better be an emergency, by the by.

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    I've thought for sure Lapro was the obvious choice, because of his skills and experience. But for a second unit that looks to be challenged, having a guy out on the perimeter who can knock down 3's is huge. Not just because of his scoring (which they need), but because that kind of shooting will force defenses to pay attention to him and open up the floor for the other guys.

    There are a bunch of guys in the league who can run the point as good or better than Lapro. But there's always demand for a guy who can knock down 3's. We still don't know if he can do it under big game pressure, and I'd like him a lot more if he was about 3" taller. But it's going to be hard to let go of a guy who can stroke 'em like he does.
    Don't disagree.

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    Dude, Simmons blows. He's the same guy from last year. No growth.
    Ah shattered.

    I think I built my expectations up too high for him after he put down some mad dunks last season.

    He's not young either.

    Ah well.

    Man we're weak at SG.

    Actually, we're kinda weak in a few areas tbh

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    I won't. Not for the 15th guy. Lapro is a decent enough player, should you need some emergency PG minutes. And it better be an emergency, by the by.
    Well I think you are right too. In reality they can't do wrong with either guy, they were both solid within a role. Lapro can shoot too is my understanding and thus more versatile and might have the inside track I thought.

    I like Forbes though too, he's a pure scorer and my thought still stands, I think the bench needs that if one of Mills or Manu are injured. again J.Simms and Murray both guards are slashers and don't shoot.

    Edit: and I should note, the bench is already challenged in the shooting dept.

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    Kyle with 6pts (2/8fg), 4reb, 2ast in 27 minutes
    Good game by his standards. He's basically useless unless he's playing against scrubs. People need to floor their expectations for Kyle otherwise, they're going to be a truly disappointed.

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    Had sh** to do; missed this one. Magic FB doesn't have game replay at a glance. Box score anyone?

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    Good game by his standards. He's basically useless unless he's playing against scrubs. People need to floor their expectations for Kyle otherwise, they're going to be a truly disappointed.
    After 3 years in the league and world class developmental coaches at his side.... he still bails out point guards in the post with 15ft bricks.

    The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.

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    After 3 years in the league and world class developmental coaches at his side.... he still bails out point guards in the post with 15ft bricks.

    The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.
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    After 3 years in the league and world class developmental coaches at his side.... he still bails out point guards in the post with 15ft bricks.

    The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.
    Best scorer on the team after Kawhi (c) Chinook

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    Simmons appears to be a one trick pony. Once the other teams have a chance to scout a player and his tendencies, they WILL have a game plan for how to defend him. (Everybody's good in the NBA, or they wouldn't be there.) Other than a few superstars, nobody can go it alone into the teeth of an NBA defense. I think Simmons hasn't figure that out, and tries to do too much on his own. He's a high-flyer, and pretty good at getting to the rack when he has some space. But he's not very good at picking his spots, and only taking what the defense gives. And he's not nearly enough to do it on his own.

    There's a pretty accepted belief in NBA FO's that by the time a guy gets to be his age, there's no more upside. They're probably right. We all want to believe that a guy can finally get his big break, and be more than he's been. But those things don't happen very often in real life. I think Simmons could still go have one of a career overseas. But I don't see him showing the kind of improvement he needed to be anything more than an afterthought in the NBA. I really wanted him to. But I don't see him being a difference-maker on the Spurs. The problem is, there's no one that I'm excited about if they waived him to clear his roster slot.
    What about Dedmon? He's 27, no more upside?

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    The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.
    Slowing down time would be his superpower, like if some teammate needs to tie his shoes or check his FB-page or something.

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    I do think the Spurs are (and should be ) concerned with the teams athleticism. I know it should not be the main focus, but Simmons has that more than anyone. Something to consider.

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    I do think the Spurs are (and should be ) concerned with the teams athleticism. I know it should not be the main focus, but Simmons has that more than anyone. Something to consider.

    Serious question:


    Simmons' biggest value is that athleticism, IMO. He's not a great defender. He doesn't make good decisions, and he turns the ball over too much. Could Murray be as good at what Simmons does right now, if the Spurs let him be just that, and not try to push the PG part too quickly? It seems to me that Murray is pretty damned athletic, but he makes poor decisions and turns the ball over too much. Pretty Simmons-like.

    According to DraftExpress, Murray is actually a half inch taller than Simmons without shoes, and he has a 6'9.5" wingspan, compared to 6'7.5" for Simmons. Murray loves to take it to the rack, just like Simmons. He hasn't shot the 3 as well as Simmons, but Simmons didn't take that many of them. On the other hand, Murray is a better rebounder than Simmons already.

    So, seriously... do you think Murray could make Simmons expendable right now, as is, if they just let him do the things Simmons does, and let the other develop?

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    Some of us think he can but I think he's too frail to finish through contact in the paint, a Simmons strength and Simmons draws fouls bc he's very strong and seeks it. Murray puts up floaters, finishing in the paint is a weakness (was in college too). Murray is not TO the ball as much as he did in SL though and already handles the ball more than J.Simms, as he has played the PG spot, so I am confident he has batter handles. He's a rookie though and will make defensive mistakes whereas Simmons while not great has improved on team defense.

    I also feel like Murray makes better decisions when he passes than Simmons who often passes to guys who are not open, thus TO the ball, etc. Anyways Simmons has his positives and the gist of it is athleticism and hustle but he will make a lot of mistakes and that will not change. Sometimes his positives outweigh the bad but often it won't, specially against good teams. I don't think he will change much at this point. I have hope for Murray though.

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    can someone help with the game highlights or full game may be?

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