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    ^Jrue Holliday deal

    lol at the outrage over a measly 12.5 mill/yr
    For your next trick, why don't you compare Russell Westbrook to Alexey Shved.

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    Maybe this has more to deal with what happens to Parker after this season. I think Murray is the pg of the future and white is a good combo guard and hopefully turns into a good role player. I als think too many people on here are thinking of the old salary cap where 12 mil is a large amount. 10-12 is going to be the average for a average role player now.
    I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
    Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.

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    I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
    Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.
    Just wait until Livingston is eating Fatty alive again in the playoffs...If we didn't already suffer an epic collapse against some team like Houston, OKC, or Minny before we even get that far.

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    I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
    Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.
    Except Livingston's range is 10 feet from the basket.

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    Except Livingston's range is 10 feet from the basket.
    Hyperbole. Besides, all he needs to do is shoot over Fatty.

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    ...from a Spur Fan's perspective. Hoping, wishing and praying for the Champs to disband...to no avail! -25 points son

    PATHETIC

    Just out of curiosity... what to Laker fans hope for? And don't tell me Lonzo Ball.

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    I am thinking that if Livingston inks a three year 24 million deal then patty it's expensive at 4/50.
    Livingston is a player comparable to mills and is about to sign for 2/3 of what patty would make per year.
    So if your Livingston and the warriors say essentially 8 mil average over 3 years where you're on that championship team and you're not asked to log crazy minutes. You're talking about a difference that is essentially 4 more percent of the cap that mills is taking up . If Livingston wanted he would have gone elsewhere for much more. You can't compare the two salaries

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    He's a 3&D player who hasn't consistently made 3s for the last two years. It's a great deal if he does those things at an elite level, but when he so limited and only provides one it lessens his value.
    Well, Mills is a 3 and NO-D player who hasn't consistently made threes in the playoffs the last 2 years

    Green can play starter minutes and play 2 or 3 and defend 1-3 and some smallball 4s

    And he makes 10 million flat and can come off the books summer 2018

    So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.

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    Well, Mills is a 3 and NO-D player who hasn't consistently made threes in the playoffs the last 2 years

    Green can play starter minutes and play 2 or 3 and defend 1-3 and some smallball 4s

    And he makes 10 million flat and can come off the books summer 2018

    So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.
    Culture is more important than defense and shot making against teams that matter....



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    So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.

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    Just out of curiosity... what to Laker fans hope for? And don't tell me Lonzo Ball.
    I want to see Lonzo and BI grow as players. With the way the Dubs are constructed, it's not a good time to be a "contender" right now. I'm good where my young Lakers squad is tbh.

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    I listened to a lot of podcasts too! Can I be a sports writer now???
    Way to miss the point. The tweet is simply relaying the message of what prominent NBA media guys said about Paddy's value, re .

    For your next trick, why don't you compare Russell Westbrook to Alexey Shved.
    Its not a comparison as much as it is an indication of the market. Players are getting paid. Get used to it.

    Relatively speaking, Paddy's contract is good value.

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    It isn't so much the numbers so much as it is tying yourself up with an undersized, past his prime, no playmaking, no defense playing, chokes-against-opponents-that-matter, point guard who can't create his own shot and is only decent off the ball to a four year deal.

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    I also need to add - If he was a beast defender like Patrick Beverly, then I wouldn't be too worried about his ppg at all. I can always overlook that if the defense is there. Since scoring is Patty's only thing, it's magnified, and in the playoffs he's not very good at it. I really don't know what the Spurs were thinking with this signing.
    Good post. Guys that do other things, play defense, rebound or contribute elsewhere you have to look as a whole. Everyone needs to be a threat to score in this NBA, but it's not their role to be the microwave. But when you are the microwave, and scoring is supposed to be your thing, if you are not hitting shots in the playoffs, then wtf is your role? sucking?

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    Good post. Guys that do other things, play defense, rebound or contribute elsewhere you have to look as a whole. Everyone needs to be a threat to score in this NBA, but it's not their role to be the microwave. But when you are the microwave, and scoring is supposed to be your thing, if you are not hitting shots in the playoffs, then wtf is your role? sucking?
    According to ST, his best value is now in the locker room. Culture over defense and shot making now! Totally worth 50 over 4 years.

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    Why does anyone give a damn about the market value when the market doesn't win games or defend or make shots?

    If the market is too hot on something, then only later will it auto correct, not before.

    Last Summer the market for Mozgov was 4/64 and Noah 4/72 on deals agreed to the first day.

    Good market value there, right guys?

    The margin for error was tiny. The Spurs have been blessed with a superstar in Kawhi. They just blew it all.

    Paying the abstract market value that the media and agents make believe as legit doesn't help Kawhi any more than Mills helped Kawhi in game 1 against GS.

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    Well, Mills is a 3 and NO-D player who hasn't consistently made threes in the playoffs the last 2 years

    Green can play starter minutes and play 2 or 3 and defend 1-3 and some smallball 4s

    And he makes 10 million flat and can come off the books summer 2018

    So there's no comparison, Mills deal is hot garbage next to Green's.
    You're not going to get an argument from me. Both players are capable of being replaced by the right player for the right price. All "role players" inherently are. And on this team, that's anyone not named Kawhi.

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    Why does anyone give a damn about the market value when the market doesn't win games or defend or make shots?

    If the market is too hot on something, then only later will it auto correct, not before.

    Last Summer the market for Mozgov was 4/64 and Noah 4/72 on deals agreed to the first day.

    Good market value there, right guys?

    The margin for error was tiny. The Spurs have been blessed with a superstar in Kawhi. They just blew it all.

    Paying the abstract market value that the media and agents make believe as legit doesn't help Kawhi any more than Mills helped Kawhi in game 1 against GS.
    I guess the Spurs are looking at it as Mills for $6 million, since that's the cap hit. I would have let him walk. He has been a really disappointing player the last couple of years and now the Spurs have basically replaced their Parker contract going into 2018.

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    It isn't so much the numbers so much as it is tying yourself up with an undersized, past his prime, no playmaking, no defense playing, chokes-against-opponents-that-matter, point guard who can't create his own shot and is only decent off the ball to a four year deal.
    Who gives a if its 4 years? 6th man/role players get long term deals too. He was Top 10 in 6MOY voting. He isn't consistently good in the playoffs but he isn't getting paid star money for that to be an expectation.

    This is considered a hometown diacoint deal and y'all still . Did the same with Danny. Even heard people grumble when Kawhi got his max extension.

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    You're not going to get an argument from me. Both players are capable of being replaced by the right player for the right price. All "role players" inherently are. And on this team, that's anyone not named Kawhi.
    People can say all they want about the "value" of this deal but it makes absolutely no basketball sense. Should've rolled with Murray. At least he'd get to fight through growing pains and speed up his development. If not, a cheap vet would've sufficed. Instead, we're locking up all our past their prime vets who play no D and choke in big games because "culture ".

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    I want to see Lonzo and BI grow as players. With the way the Dubs are constructed, it's not a good time to be a "contender" right now. I'm good where my young Lakers squad is tbh.

    Okay, well that's...honest. You like it that your team sucks. So in your spare time, you rep another team that doesn't suck.

    Cool.

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    Who gives a if its 4 years? 6th man/role players get long term deals too. He was Top 10 in 6MOY voting. He isn't consistently good in the playoffs but he isn't getting paid star money for that to be an expectation.

    This is considered a hometown diacoint deal and y'all still . Did the same with Danny. Even heard people grumble when Kawhi got his max extension.
    Because he'll be here those four years eating up young players minutes. Either that, or he gets moved because Parker isn't going anywhere until he retires. Either way, this is a redundant move. But who cares if he plays no D and chokes. He "took a discount ".

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    People can say all they want about the "value" of this deal but it makes absolutely no basketball sense. Should've rolled with Murray. At least he'd get to fight through growing pains and speed up his development. If not, a cheap vet would've sufficed. Instead, we're locking up all our past their prime vets who play no D and choke in big games because "culture ".
    If we're looking for culture and good locker room guys you could have gotten Jose Calderon for the minimum and he can knock down a 3 and not play defense either

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    Why does anyone give a damn about the market value when the market doesn't win games or defend or make shots?

    If the market is too hot on something, then only later will it auto correct, not before.

    Last Summer the market for Mozgov was 4/64 and Noah 4/72 on deals agreed to the first day.

    Good market value there, right guys?

    The margin for error was tiny. The Spurs have been blessed with a superstar in Kawhi. They just blew it all.

    Paying the abstract market value that the media and agents make believe as legit doesn't help Kawhi any more than Mills helped Kawhi in game 1 against GS.
    Lmao the market wasn't there for Mozgov, lakers got desperate

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