Shams: Jonathon Simmons Agrees to 3-yr Deal w/Orlando Magic

[dabom]

Dude is blessed to make millions at such a young age after taxes.

[weebo]

Simmons will go way of Gary Neal...when he could have gone way of Danny Green.

[therealtruth]

He was expecting 50M? That's Patty Mills type money. No way. The Spurs were going to offer him 9m for how many years?

[spurraider21]

Dude is blessed to make millions at such a young age after taxes.

sure, same with every nba player, even those making the minimum... but in the microcosm of the nba, he did poorly

[ace3g]

[dabom]

Dudes a warrior. He had that manu "will of the warrior" trait, but not the skill.

[GSH]

Everybody making lemonade. Simmons, his agent, even the Spurs. Positive positive positive.

[BatManu20]

Wish he would've stayed at the same price the Magic got him for, but I ain't mad at him. Good luck in Orlando youngblood.

[therealtruth]

Simmons will go way of Gary Neal...when he could have gone way of Danny Green.

Exact opposite of Gary Neal. Neal got by on his great offense. Simmons has really great defense and so-so offense. I would much rather take the defense and the desire to improve since the offense you can teach, e.g. Kawhi Leonard.

[exstatic]

Wish he would've stayed at the same price the Magic got him for, but I ain't mad at him. Good luck in Orlando youngblood.

Wish he would have taken their 2/$18M offer. The second year was not guaranteed, but I've been a fan since just post Iceman, and never remember them not picking up a guarantee. Essentially, the bar he would have had to clear was to continue to work hard and improve. He didn't want to be here.

[sasaint]

Wish he would have taken their 2/$18M offer. The second year was not guaranteed, but I've been a fan since just post Iceman, and never remember them not picking up a guarantee. Essentially, the bar he would have had to clear was to continue to work hard and improve. He didn't want to be here.

True story! But I wish him well, even though I would not be surprised to see him flame out.

[dbestpro]

His agent should be fired, tbh..Simmons and George Hill were the biggest losers of free agency, both received poor advice and played themselves..

One could argue that Rudy Gay was the big loser, financially.

[bd_monster]

Simmons will go way of Gary Neal...when he could have gone way of Danny Green.

I feel this is the most accurate statement. Was thinking this the other day.

[coachmac87]

One could argue that Rudy Gay was the big loser, financially.

How so?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Wish he would have taken their 2/$18M offer. The second year was not guaranteed, but I've been a fan since just post Iceman, and never remember them not picking up a guarantee. Essentially, the bar he would have had to clear was to continue to work hard and improve. He didn't want to be here.

[DisAsTerBot]

Qualifying offer is an offer

[8FOR!3]

Hope he does well in Orlando, not like they're going anywhere this year so maybe he'll at least show out.

[Seventyniner]

How so?

He opted out of $14M for next season alone with the Kings to get 17 over two seasons with the Spurs, or roughly 8.5 this year if he opts out.

[therealtruth]

Wish he would have taken their 2/$18M offer. The second year was not guaranteed, but I've been a fan since just post Iceman, and never remember them not picking up a guarantee. Essentially, the bar he would have had to clear was to continue to work hard and improve. He didn't want to be here.

Injuries factor into why players might wanted more guaranteed money. Let's say he gets injured. They might not pick up his option. All we've heard i the Spurs were offering 9M/year but not how many years or how much was guaranteed.

[weebo]

Exact opposite of Gary Neal. Neal got by on his great offense. Simmons has really great defense and so-so offense. I would much rather take the defense and the desire to improve since the offense you can teach, e.g. Kawhi Leonard.

Neal thought the grass was greener and has bounced around. Green stayed and carved a nice career for himself on the same team.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I liked Simmons, but those who are making him out to be some defensive savant are way off base. Just look at the analytics. He did well in game 6 against Harden largely due to DA's asinine offensive structure. During the season he was frequently out of position and got back doored with some regularity. Athleticism is a plus on defense, but the Spurs scheme requires BBIQ over athleticism. He likely could have gotten that contract from the Spurs and played on a winning team that is striving to overtake GSW. Instead he ended up on a team that will be striving to just make the playoffs. He may not have "enjoyed" playing for Pop, but playing for a team that goes into games with really no expectation of winning gets old real fast.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Apparently according to Marc Spears, Pop and Simmons didn't get along. Poop didn't like Simmons' showboating after dunks and Simmons felt restrained here. Reminds me of Dedmon getting pulled out in the playoffs after showing too much heart and fire.

Reminds me of a certain player of the same type, personality and similar young player that we let slip through the cracks in the post-championship summer of 2003.

Am I right?

[duncan2k5]

This is the only deal worth more than the min that Simmons will see his entire career. You don't want to be paying any players who are in that boat. If the Spurs are relying on Juice, it's already a lost cause. He had ball in his hands in playoffs because there were literally no other options. I let the regular season replacement level play speak for itself over some sweet highlights.

This is no different than Boban. CoJo on the other hand, a necessary casualty because of Aldridge, is a different story. Not the sexiest but will be a rotation guy for years to come.

There were no other options for mills and Aldridge either, and they both the bed BIG time

[duncan2k5]

I liked Simmons, but those who are making him out to be some defensive savant are way off base. Just look at the analytics. He did well in game 6 against Harden largely due to DA's asinine offensive structure. During the season he was frequently out of position and got back doored with some regularity. Athleticism is a plus on defense, but the Spurs scheme requires BBIQ over athleticism. He likely could have gotten that contract from the Spurs and played on a winning team that is striving to overtake GSW. Instead he ended up on a team that will be striving to just make the playoffs. He may not have "enjoyed" playing for Pop, but playing for a team that goes into games with really no expectation of winning gets old real fast.

That same asinine structure lit up our supposed stopper Danny green

[buttsR4rebounding]

That same asinine structure lit up our supposed stopper Danny green

Primarily in game 1 before the Spurs had time to work on their defensive scheme. So are you arguing that the analytics that Simmons was a negative defender are wrong? Don't get me wrong. I wanted him to stay. I think he could have developed into a very nice piece, but he wasn't there yet.