Mass shooting Sutherland Springs church

[AaronY]

Your mom had the same reaction when she saw what came out of her womb I heard

[Pavlov]

I just said one bullet in the gun pictured. You quoted me saying it.

Ah you weren't precise enough to say that is the maximum that could be in the gun as pictured. Details are important. What does the same gun look like with 100 bullets in it?

[TSA]

Ah. what does the same gun look like with 100 bullets in it?

The same as an AR with a 100 round drum on it.
You don't have a point do you

[Pavlov]

The same as an AR with a 100 round drum on it.
You don't have a point do you

So Blake shouldn't have limited his argument with the term that triggered you so you could bog it down in technicalities.

Thanks again for being so defensive. Made it easy.

[AaronY]

the magazine is invisible.

stealth technology like on the stealth bomber

[TSA]

So Blake shouldn't have limited his argument with the term that triggered you so you could bog it down in technicalities.

Thanks again for being so defensive. Made it easy.

Blake should have made an argument that actually would have made a difference.

[Pavlov]

Blake should have made an argument that actually would have made a difference.

We know that your answer to the problem is do nothing at all about guns.

[TSA]

We know that your answer to the problem is do nothing at all about guns.

Now you just lie cause you feel stupid.

And at whining about a thread being bogged down in technicalities after doing two pages of just that

[Pavlov]

Now you just lie cause you feel stupid.

What's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?

And at whining about a thread being bogged down in technicalities after doing two pages of just that

Necessary since you started it by being so massively triggered. Thank you for your cooperation.

Now that that's out of the way, what's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?

[TE]

I've gone through all 11.5 pages of this thread, and I really appreciate your thoughtful takes. Imo it would be nice if we attacked this issue on both fronts. This "either, or" mentality that has been sweeping through politics through most of the last 10 years is really getting out of hand. Reasonable gun laws should be considered, and so should expanding access to mental health.

A few mental health issues that not many people are talking about:
-Psychiatry is a very underrepresented field in medicine. In Texas alone, there are over 185 COUNTIES without a psychiatrist.
-Insurance companies are notorious for not reimbursing psychiatry well, so many psychiatrists have switched to fee-for-service, which many people can't afford. So you're already limited pool of psychiatrists becomes even more limited by the cost of going to the ones who are actually around.

+++

To add to this many PCP's then have the duty to treat potential psyche patients at their offices. This adds to the concept misdiagnosis/overdiagnosis that the APA and DSMV get hit with.

So people going into the office for the first time with a chief complaint that perhaps has an accompanying psyche component aren't getting the full/correct treatment. I've personally seen this during my rotations in the primary care setting and it's alarming tbh.

[Blake]

They're for hunting Megadeer, a 20 foot colossus requiring at least 65 hits to take down.

Neh, used for self defense

[SnakeBoy]

Dodge #1.

You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.

[DMC]

Why do you care

Either it's right or it's wrong. Caring is beside the point.

[Quadzilla99]

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.

The magazine holds 100 rounds?

[TSA]

What's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?

Necessary since you started it by being so massively triggered. Thank you for your cooperation.

Now that that's out of the way, what's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?

massively triggered

You project your emotions more than any poster here.

Other than universal background checks and a more efficient NICS system I don't think anything else needs to be done about the guns themselves. As I've already proven in this thread banning military style rifles won't make shootings like these any less lethal or less frequent.

The gun problem we have here in the States is rooted in poverty, lack of education, ty upbringing, and lack of sufficient help for mental health problems. Banning a type of gun won't fix any of that.

[Pavlov]

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.

I think the debate is more properly framed now that the technicality triggers have been dealt with.

[Pavlov]

massively triggered

You project your emotions more than any poster here.

Other than universal background checks and a more efficient NICS system I don't think anything else needs to be done about the guns themselves. As I've already proven in this thread banning military style rifles won't make shootings like these any less lethal or less frequent.

The gun problem we have here in the States is rooted in poverty, lack of education, ty upbringing, and lack of sufficient help for mental health problems. Banning a type of gun won't fix any of that.

See, you don't want to do one thing about the guns themselves.

Why do you get pissy when I perfectly predict your argument?

[TSA]

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.

Some classics from the people writing gun legislation

“Shoulder thing that go up”

This infamous phrase was spoken by Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) after she admitted that she did not immediately recall what a barrel shroud was, despite identifying the item as part of a bill to ban so-called “assault weapons.”

A barrel shroud is, of course, a covering attached to the barrel of a firearm that prevents the user from burning themselves—as its name would suggest. A “shoulder thing that goes up,”

“There won’t be any more available”

US Representative Diana DeGette (D-CO) uttered these words in a forum on gun control after explaining that once gun owners have used their magazines, they won’t be able to use them anymore. What?

Maybe the full quote will help:

“What’s the efficacy of banning these magazine clips? I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these ‘high capacity’ magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

Incendiary rounds are “heat seeking devices”

While discussing a proposed ban on .50 caliber rifles, New York Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington (D-District 3) mistook incendiary rounds for heat-seeking ammunition. Incendiary rounds do not, in fact, track targets, but have a compound within the projectile that burns rapidly.

“Buy a shotgun” and “fire two blasts”

This notorious quote comes from none other than Vice President Joe Biden, who in a town hall Q&A with Parents magazine, recommended buying a shotgun and firing two shots out of your front door if you feel threatened. Not exactly the best legal advice, as in 2013 a man claimed he followed Biden’s advice to chase away three men from breaking into his car, only to be slapped with a misdemeanor charge.

Biden also received criticism from gun rights advocates by saying that shotguns are preferable to AR-15s since the rifles are “harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun.”

The “Ghost Gun” incident

This is a prime lesson that politicians should familiarize themselves with the topic at hand before speaking publicly. California State Senator Kevin de León spoke at length about “ghost guns,” or firearms that lack a serial number, during a press conference in 2014. Arguably the most memorable moment was when de León identified one of the “ghost guns.”

“This is a ghost gun. This right here has the ability with a 30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. 30 magazine clip within half a second,” he said.

Okay, none of that makes any sense, so let’s break it down.

There is no such thing as a “30-caliber clip.” What de León meant to say was likely that the weapon had a magazine capable of storing 30 rounds. Also, unless that firearm has been heavily modified and is from the future, it likely does not fire 30 rounds within half a second. To put this in perspective, the maximum rate of fire from a M134 Minigun, a machine gun that has six barrels, can fire 50 rounds in half a second. And that’s the gun’s theoretical maximum. Your average AR-15 variant has a much lower rate of fire.

[Pavlov]

Some classics from the people writing gun legislation

“Shoulder thing that go up”

This infamous phrase was spoken by Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) after she admitted that she did not immediately recall what a barrel shroud was, despite identifying the item as part of a bill to ban so-called “assault weapons.”

A barrel shroud is, of course, a covering attached to the barrel of a firearm that prevents the user from burning themselves—as its name would suggest. A “shoulder thing that goes up,”

“There won’t be any more available”

US Representative Diana DeGette (D-CO) uttered these words in a forum on gun control after explaining that once gun owners have used their magazines, they won’t be able to use them anymore. What?

Maybe the full quote will help:

“What’s the efficacy of banning these magazine clips? I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these ‘high capacity’ magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

Incendiary rounds are “heat seeking devices”

While discussing a proposed ban on .50 caliber rifles, New York Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington (D-District 3) mistook incendiary rounds for heat-seeking ammunition. Incendiary rounds do not, in fact, track targets, but have a compound within the projectile that burns rapidly.

“Buy a shotgun” and “fire two blasts”

This notorious quote comes from none other than Vice President Joe Biden, who in a town hall Q&A with Parents magazine, recommended buying a shotgun and firing two shots out of your front door if you feel threatened. Not exactly the best legal advice, as in 2013 a man claimed he followed Biden’s advice to chase away three men from breaking into his car, only to be slapped with a misdemeanor charge.

Biden also received criticism from gun rights advocates by saying that shotguns are preferable to AR-15s since the rifles are “harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun.”

The “Ghost Gun” incident

This is a prime lesson that politicians should familiarize themselves with the topic at hand before speaking publicly. California State Senator Kevin de León spoke at length about “ghost guns,” or firearms that lack a serial number, during a press conference in 2014. Arguably the most memorable moment was when de León identified one of the “ghost guns.”

“This is a ghost gun. This right here has the ability with a 30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. 30 magazine clip within half a second,” he said.

Okay, none of that makes any sense, so let’s break it down.

There is no such thing as a “30-caliber clip.” What de León meant to say was likely that the weapon had a magazine capable of storing 30 rounds. Also, unless that firearm has been heavily modified and is from the future, it likely does not fire 30 rounds within half a second. To put this in perspective, the maximum rate of fire from a M134 Minigun, a machine gun that has six barrels, can fire 50 rounds in half a second. And that’s the gun’s theoretical maximum. Your average AR-15 variant has a much lower rate of fire.

And there we have it.

so predictable

[DMC]

Lets make people with untreated mental illness have to navigate a black market. Good luck with that.

Trump is in South Korea. They dont have this problem. Like, at all. You are 125 times more likely to be shot in the U.S. than in South Korea.

The numbers are even "worse" comparing to Japan.

The stupid talking points used by DMC fall flat because he never says what he really thinks: He likes his guns and doesnt want to give them up. He doesnt care how many mass shootings there are. He's done the same schtick after Virginia tech, Eagle colorado, tucsocn etc.

I volunteered to have myself registered as a firearm owner (through CHL).

Even then, other than the collectors and few tack drivers, few shotguns and some sidearms, I am not a gun person. I've never owned an AR-15. Don't care to. I've never been impressed with stamped out receivers and lowest bidder rifles. I much prefer something more comfortable, lighter, like a Sako. Even then, I'm a bowhunter.

It's amusing to watch you re ed ers try to peg me. "You're a Christian conservative!" .. no, I'm atheist and voted for Obama twice. "But, you hunt and love guns" No.. I don't love guns. I was raised owning guns and think of them as tools, not eye candy to impress my social media friends. I don't love ratchet sets or open end wrenches. I have plenty of them. "But but.. you always defend guns!" I never defend guns. I only correct you gots who talk so much about legislation you claim to want when you can't be bothered to even learn what the you're talking about.

You especially, Mr semi-auto revolver guy.

[TSA]

See, you don't want to do one thing about the guns themselves.

Why do you get pissy when I perfectly predict your argument?

projecting emotions again
still not offering your own solutions and instead still bogging down the thread

Other than banning and confiscating every single firearm what do you propose to do to "the guns themselves" that will eliminate shooting deaths in the States?

[DMC]

And there we have it.

so predictable

The shoe fits.

[Pavlov]

projecting emotions again
still not offering your own solutions and instead still bogging down the thread

Other than banning and confiscating every single firearm what do you propose to do to "the guns themselves" that will eliminate shooting deaths in the States?

Nothing.

Not a thing about anything.

It's useless with people like you not even entertaining doing one thing about guns themselves. You couldn't even bring yourself to consider an outright ban on bump fire stocks.

So just let the American carnage continue. People like you won't do anything about it, so why should anyone?

[Pavlov]

, one of the first things your dear leader did was gut a rule making it more difficult for the severely mentally ill to get guns.

Trump supporters were all busted up about that one, weren't they?

[TSA]

You always go the jargon and technicalities route.

Always.

Keeps you from talking about real issues, so mission accomplished.

The gun problem we have here in the States is rooted in poverty, lack of education, ty upbringing, and lack of sufficient help for mental health problems

Other than banning and confiscating every single firearm what do you propose to do to "the guns themselves" that will eliminate shooting deaths in the States?

Nothing.

Not a thing about anything.

It's useless with people like you not even entertaining doing one thing about guns themselves. You couldn't even bring yourself to consider an outright ban on bump fire stocks.

So just let the American carnage continue. People like you won't do anything about it, so why should anyone?

You are just here to bog down another thread

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