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Nothing better to do while LMA/DDR are on the team, tbh... we're running on pure nostalgia
I’m pretty sure this is the first time I’ve posted in here. I doubt it’s the first time you’ve lied to bolster Kawhi’s malingering.
Nothing better to do while LMA/DDR are on the team, tbh... we're running on pure nostalgia
Except there's zero evidence to your point. If the indicator for chronic injuries is "load management", then pretty much the entire Spurs roster has chronic injuries.
Fact is, he's playing a lot of minutes when it matters at a high level. But it's besides the point we were discussing. The Spurs medical staff was overruled by the Spurs themselves (when they allowed Kawhi to do his thing in NY with other doctors).
That potential misdiagnosis cost the team basically their entire future (if the mistrust Uncle and timvp allude to is true).
There's a lot at stake to have team doctors that top players clearly won't trust now, considering the Kawhi saga.
Indeed
Sure, sure, whatever you say.
If you want to go with the Leonard narrative that's fine, but his needing rest and at times limping/laboring on the "misdiagnosed" leg (to the point where media members/former player were questioning if he'd play game 5) is enough "evidence" for me.
Pretty sure the medical staff had some say in relinquishing control of his rehab and were aware of his seeking (multiple) 2nd opinions. Which allegedly found the same issue with his quad,. Giving him that freedom to seek outside opinions and rehabilitation was a bigger blunder than the supposed "misdiagnosis."
No, Leonard feeling "disrespected" and his uncle poisoning his relationship with the team/organization "ruined" their/our future and the njury was used as an excuse to not suit up for a team he "no longer trusted."
Clearly, it hasn't stopped any of the other players from suiting up last season and won't hinder the team in the long - term. It sucks to lose a top 5 in his prime player, but he was likely leaving injury or not.
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Most team doctors are okay with second opinions, and will actually encourage it in difficult cases like Kawhi's.
There's plenty of evidence that he's dealing with the same injury (same leg, same lack of explosion, same limp), and no evidence that there was a misdiagnosis. Kawhi's team never released whatever injury those doctors in NY found, probably because it would just corroborate what the SA team doctors said.
“The Spurs were in the dark most of the season,” said Wright on the Back To Back podcast on Thursday. “Some of the things that were happening were crazy… There was a point during his rehab process in New York that some of the Spurs brass went out to see him in New York. As soon as those guys arrived to the building, Kawhi’s people grabbed him and sequestered him to another part of the building so the Spurs guys couldn’t see him.”“Potential suitors for Leonard have no clue how healthy he is, when they may gain permission to talk with his representatives, or how seriously they should take the word of those representatives,” writes Lowe. “Rival executives sniffing around Leonard have joked they would settle for an Instagram workout video, just to know Leonard is fully ambulatory.”
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018...eonard-healthy
the only blame you can put on patfo for this ordeal is signing patty and gasol
Tony a real one.
He's being intentionally obtuse, man. No one can be dense enough to believe that Leonard is still (athletically/physically) the same player as 2017. Just let him live with the Leonard was "misdiagnosed" narrative nonsense.Most team doctors are okay with second opinions, and will actually encourage it in difficult cases like Kawhi's.
There's plenty of evidence that he's dealing with the same injury (same leg, same lack of explosion, same limp), and no evidence that there was a misdiagnosis. Kawhi's team never released whatever injury those doctors in NY found, probably because it would just corroborate what the SA team doctors said.
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018...eonard-healthy
I'm pretty sure the Pistons recovered from nearly ending the career of an in his prime Grant Hill or the Bulls are still in operation after their medical staff's actual misdiagnosis nearly led to the DEATH of Luol Deng. But, no the Spurs telling Leonard he'll need to play with pain and his injury is permanent/chronic is much, much worse than death or a player's career ending.
LOLOLOL
Spurs fans should be proud of Parker for calling out Kawhi. Don't buy the bull that Kawhi hadn't already quit on the team.
LOL. I don't think Kawhi ever had any intention of playing for the Spurs last season. Nobody was airing commercials with him in them, because he'd been off the court for so long. That was a problem, since Nike was releasing their Air Jordan Gatorade Collection (right before Christmas). Nike had already shot the commercials, including the one with Kawhi and LaMarcus. And they had their "Bold Like Kawhi" tag line ready to go. But with Kawhi off the floor for so long, it was going to be weak, if not a disaster. That's a lot of money down the tubes.
The answer? Kawhi came back just in time to get a bunch of media buzz about his return, a week or so ahead of the release of the shoes. He played a few more games, spaced out enough to get them through the launch. Kawhi looked rusty, but his leg looked fine - I haven't been able to find a single bit of video showing him limp or even grimace. And then he just packed it in for the rest of the season.
Kawhi came back to get paid. The rest is just smoke and mirrors - manufactured controversy to justify what Dennis wanted to do from the beginning. It was about money and endorsements.
I remembered the article below, but I had to dig a little to find it. It was published about a week after Kawhi's "return" to the court. You can say it's just coincidence that his 9 game return just happened to coincide with the Nike campaign. But that's one of a happy coincidence, and I've got some beachfront to sell you.
https://thesportsdaily.com/2017/12/2...oot-locker-ad/
"Now that Kawhi Leonard has returned to the court, brands have resumed running promotional ads and videos involving the Spurs star.
Some have been better than others, but the new Foot Locker X Jordan Brand ad video, which was released on Wednesday, is actually pretty great.
In it, Leonard dances on stage at an EDM concert, rocks out in the studio with Nipsey Hussle and destroys a board with his bare hand. You can watch him do those things in the video clip below."
didn't some rich new york jews buy out impact sports around the time all this started going south?
it's always about the money
Lol yes it is, apparently the big investors in Impact Sports that stirred up all this are major NYC property developers Wharton.The founders son is running Impact.
Lmfao don't think LeBron and Klaw will be teaming up any time soon.Heres a screen shot of Impacts boss now locked Twitter.Also rumblings that they arranged for Uncle Dennis some property via s companies to get Kawhai on board.
https://i.redd.it/zp7ja5lt3l711.jpg
More locked Twitter from Impacts bosshttps://m.imgur.com/a/054IypQ
Dummy... When I said u have already been exposed I'm talking about earlier in this thread... Ppl posted that Pop didn't come out after the game to defend Kawhi like u were trying to imply when u posted the clip... We were all watching the games, my guy... Ppl were mad at pop for not defending Kawhi... Now u try to rewrite history
Yeah right... let's quit this BS about trust issues. Everyone is a professional here.
What happened is that Kawhi and his family wanted to go elsewhere, but the way they handled it was unprofessional (not showing up to support the team while in the playoffs).
The reality is... uncle Dennis is always pushing a favorable narrative... ask yourself, why Didn't Kawhi himself say this? It's all PR by the same guy who lost the Nike deal and the Supermax deal.
The collective bargaining agreement with the players union allows players to get a second opinion, a third opinion, a fourth opinion, a fifth opinion, a sixth opinion, a seventh opinion, and an eighth opinion. The team cannot prevent a player from seeking an outside opinion. The "group" took that and ran up to New York. The "groups" doctors have been in control of KL's rehab for close to two years and he is still having issues. A chronic knee condition. If fact, the rehab Dr. Garrett (referenced in the main Nephew thread) indicated that the patella tendonitis goes all the way back to the guys HIGH SCHOOL playing days. He took a pretty good hit in the same area a long time ago and it has been an issue ever since. Doctor Garrett certainly has contacts and knows more stuff about the situation with his organization contacts. He believes that the knee issue he is dealing with now is the same one he has had for almost a decade. Wear and tear from an eight year NBA career does not help things. The condition was milked by the "group" (the uncle especially) and the holdout of 2017-18 comes to pass. There was no misdiagnosis. The load management tells you there is a chronic condition. One season of basketball in two years (under the care of his own medical people) and there are still issues. Faking an injury might not be the correct wording, but there likely was severe exaggeration last year in San Antonio - especially in March and April when he was well enough to play. The guy did not want to push things and take a chance on a setback last year. The subsequent trade and inordinate rest periods this year prevented the guy from not playing. He had to play this year to have the required demand for his services this summer. Once again a very orchestrated plan.
The rehab doctor (who knows all the people in the know) felt like the whole thing was a holdout designed to poison the relationship between the Spurs and "group" in order to get out of town. He pointed specifically to the Uncle.
The KL group has been scared to death of a major setback during the poorly acted dinner theater production that has been going on the last 2 years. The want their money and they want their preferred team. BTW, as hard as they have tried and as much dumb luck as they have had all season, it probably won't end well long term for the Great White North team - after all it is COLD up there. They could win the whole thing (not expecting it myself) and the guy could still head west and not have an instant of conscience or regret. He did not give two craps about all the fans of San Antonio, did he?
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Dr. Garrett called our favorite Nephew "#2" and even referenced the double meaning in his interview with Chris Duel. He obviously did not buy the so- called misdiagnosis crap shoveled out by the group. Interesting interview to listen to from just a couple of days ago.
patfo tried to pull a jax lowball extension on him, when he was still getting a fat contract above 15m avg per year for 3yrs
then he was up for supermax or max, too which patfo tried to lowball him again...
fck them 2 wrongs dont make a right patfo...fkn clowns deserve to lose the franchise player
Zeus, if this is all true, then it is very damning.
Haven’t posted about the for awhile. Trying to forget about him and move on. I can understand him wanting to go back to LA where he grew up to play. What I can’t accept is the way he threw the Spurs and essentially some of the Spurs players under the bus in doing so, not to mention basically stealing multiple millions of dollars in the process. Frankly I’m pissed at Pop for being so “understanding” of the further enabling the and “his group” trashing the franchises reputation. I bet the Spurs medical staff would like to tell Pop to shove the up his ass.
I guess you are right
Go Warriors Go !
Garrett is a San Antonio area chiropractor. He is not a licensed physician. He has never seen any of Leonard's medical records. He has no medical information about Leonard. He has never consulted on the Leonard case, or on any case requiring a licensed physician. He does not know any more about Leonard's medical condition than the average Spurstalk poster does.
This is not to say Garrett is a bad person or an outright charlatan. But he knows nothing of Leonard's medical condition, and he is not qualified to render a medical opinion.
The following may be notable about the place where he works.
"Airrosti is not enrolled in Medicare and therefore to remain compliant with Federal regulations, we cannot treat any beneficiary of Medicare."
Also, they do not prescribe medications because they are not legally qualified to do so. Nor are they legally able to give injections, not even flu shots.
What Airrosti does is just ordinary chiropractor stuff. Basically, they'll give you a ridiculously expensive backrub.
Last edited by JeffDuncan; 05-30-2019 at 09:15 AM.
The timing of what you mention is definitely intriguing, but the basic problem with "money as motive" is that the Spurs could have paid him more than any other team.
The Spurs have used AIRROSTI in the past. I know for a fact that Parker has been treated by them. Not out of the realm of possibility that Kawhi has, too. As for Medicare, who gives a ? That's health coverage for Seniors, and is not pertinent to the discussion at hand.
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