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What does that mean? Was Robinson behind Brown, Tarkanian, or Lucas being fired.. all three??
It's fascinating. Pop's coaching career will be bookended by absolute failure, with years of abyss at Pomona to now these last two years, and yet in between, total greatness. I said it before the season started, there are too many contradictory statements and goals for this season to be actually about winning, and I debated the late Mr. Body on this precise topic. The FO wanted to see what they have. Well it only took 20 games to find out. The season is a disaster but it's been one of extreme experimentation of their existing pieces combined with extreme conservatism of their trade assets. It's not my choice (I wanted to try and get someone like Keynote George via a draft day trade ) but I can also acknowledge that I see an outline of what they're trying to do this year.
What does that mean? Was Robinson behind Brown, Tarkanian, or Lucas being fired.. all three??
There's always the tinfoil hat theory that the intention all along was to tank this year and that Pop is taking the hit of all the losses so that they don't accrue to another coach. Falling on his sword in more ways than one.
But that's the kind of thing that would be in a movie, not real life.
Do people still think we're not tanking?This is nuts. And frankly unacceptable tbh.
Spurs largest leads this season with Wins (green) and Losses (red).
The "we have no talent" trope is dumped into the furnace with this graphic.
I don't. I think Popped is just that incompetent.Do people still think we're not tanking?
He's been blowing leads his entire career.
However, if this is some CIA Pop tank, exactly who and what are the Spurs tanking for?
Id love to hear an explanation how a graphic showing 19 losses in 22 games is actually proof we have anything but rock bottom talent.Do people still think we're not tanking?
What did Dejounte mean when he said, "it's bigger than basketball?"
Ex you ed for you years about how Lonnie Walker wasn't someone worth keeping because he was a net negative player. We now have a roster where only Devin Vassell is a wing who is as good as Lonnie ing Walker. Lonnie has better defensive stats than our atrocious roster and is a way larger impact on offense. Meanwhile we see a team go 5 for 41 for 3 and if you look down the roster you're going to tell me that we've got more talent than we did from a couple of years ago?
The team is really devoid of talent. Turns out guys like Champagne aren't good and probably aren't NBA players. Maybe Keldon and Devin can get better, but that's debatable at this point. Sochan definitely can, but he and Branham have seriously regressed which isn't a great sign since year 2 is an important one. Its not a given these players will be any good. Blake Wesley? HA. Zach Collins? I'd rather have either Eubanks or Landale. , I never thought I'd say it but who on this team is actually even as good as Keta Bates Diop?
This team ing sucks my dude and not sure why you're trying to make an argument that it doesn't.
How many losses in a row would it take to get Pop fired? 40? 50?
OK, my dude, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My view is that we are two years behind OKCs curve. They won 20ish games two years in a row, then 40, then this year. We'll have to wait to see what happens next year.
So, we were tanking last year, and replaced KBD with Victor, but now we're just bad, but not tanking? It's the same ing players.
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they kind of tanked on purpose in that they just added wemby to the tank roster. the only thing they did in the offseason to not tank harder was to use the #1 pick on wemby instead of trading it for a haul. otherwise their offseason consisted of re-signing Tre Jones, Mamu, Champagnie, Collins while also making a few trades for future picks. ffs they traded the #33 overall pick in a deep draft for 2 future seconds
but that doesnt explain why the product on the floor is worse than last year. thats on pop
I think tanking last year confused people into thinking that we could be good if we wanted to. I don't think we're tanking this year because he's not really holding out any good players like last year, though that Jeremy experiment will be debated. I think we're just a young team with no point guard trying to figure it out on the fly. They're no longer getting blown out by 40 points, it's just normal young bad team type of stuff now.
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Other than Wemby, the roster is IDENTICAL.
Pop is doing a great job tanking. Spurs don't have a history of landing great FAs. Aside from LMA, who have the Spurs landed? Players mentioning Spurs in their list of teams doesn't count b/c we know it's BS. Just be excited about the potential star we'll get as a top 3 pick and probably another good player in the top 10. Along with Vassel and Wemby, and possibly with Sochan's improvements, that should be a solid base to build on. If the Spurs contend next year rather than 2 years even better, but ST should just be glad that we landed Wemby. Otherwise, instead of contending in the next 2 years, it would be more like the next 10 years.
So that proves to you that we ARE tanking? The roster construction?
If we tanked last year, with14/15 of the same roster, why would you think we’re NOT tanking this year?
if this is the extent of the analysis, why did you not think we were tanking until 10 games into the season?
You didn't seem to have this same opinion with this same roster in preseason. I remember our conversations being to the effect of this is a developmental year and we'll see where it goes. To me, that's different than tanking. I think a logical explanation is that they are a very young team, and very young teams often lose a lot of games. Or is this a semantical difference for you?
In other threads I have admitted to being a bonehead, and taking 10 games +/- to figure it out.
it took you 10 games to realize we had the same roster as last year, or 10 games to recalibrate your definition of tanking?
To realize we were tanking, having virtually the same team, and losing in the same way. I was so 'all in' early, that I paid $2500 for two seats downstairs at the FBC for 10 games, and another $200 for parking, so if anyone has a reason to about the tank, it's me, and I refuse.
Got to bare bones it at this point and go with what's plain to see where defensive effort or ability is shown. I get rid of Keldon, Champ, Collins, Jones (just too small), Branham, McDermott.
Wesley has shown occasional flashes but his offense is rather atrocious so peace out to him.
I give a ultimatum to show marked improvement to Vassell and Sochan game in and game out. Sometimes ain't good enough on a team where they're the leaders.
I'm actively only keeping Wemby, Bassey, Mamu, Osman, Cissoko, Barlow.
You could ostensibly build a very good team from those players with the right draft picks and trades and get this team on the right path. Because the alternative is historically bad defense. Got to cut the wheat from the chaff.
Someone needs to be held accountable for the loses. Trade someone, fire someone, cut someone, but do something that says this culture of losing is not acceptable. No one is getting better.
First, you can't gloss over like adding Victor is some run of the mill transaction. Dude is a force and should be having an impact on the Spurs record but we're WORSE.
Second, yes, its just another year with much of the same cast, but we have 3 second year players, and many others who are young AF and from whom you would expect to see a substantial level of improvement and yet almost everyone - if not everyone actually - has REGRESSED from what they were doing last year. Even if we just ran it back with the same players and didn't add Wemby you don't see how getting WORSE results from the same group after substantial time is an issue and something to be extremely concerned about?
But worst of all, these players seem to be OK with losing. It is clear the losing is really bothering Wemby, but outside of him? I see Vassell and Keldon laughing and flexing and doing so many things like that while losing 17 games in a row and it doesn't inspire me with confidence that these players who have known nothing but losing actually have what it takes between the ears to be winners. Nothing from the Spurs this offeason indicated they were in a tanking mode. None of the statemnts form Pop, the front office, or the players have indicated that at any point. I sure as don't think the point was ever to run out and lose 17 in a row.
This is just y'all coping and hoping that this is actually the plan because the alternatives are way worse.
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