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    Previous avatar comes back tomorrow. What a stinker.

    I've show a few different cuts of similar stats before, but I got a curiosity and just looked this one up, NETRTG of 2Man combos... WOOF. There is not a single player in our Top 8 is who's on the court time is improved by having Devin on the court at the same time. Holy .

    Without Dev With Dev Dev Without Both Off
    Wemby +9.97 -3.63 -16.37 -4.62
    Cp3 +4.77 -0.38 -21.72 +2.64
    Barnes +2.17 -2.86 -15.92 +6.43
    Castle +3.60 -6.25 -11.15 +4.35
    Sochan +0.06 -0.19 -14.81 +5.41
    Keldon +0.68 -19.17 -0.54 +7.11
    Champ +5.36 -12.21 -7.21 +0.74
    dude dont belong on this team...Hes fcking everything up whens hes on the court.

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    Two highest paid players on team are absolute garbage. Vassell and Keldon

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    Previous avatar comes back tomorrow. What a stinker.

    I've show a few different cuts of similar stats before, but I got a curiosity and just looked this one up, NETRTG of 2Man combos... WOOF. There is not a single player in our Top 8 is who's on the court time is improved by having Devin on the court at the same time. Holy .
    Kind of wish we could have traded Vassell and kept the 20131 yesterday

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    Previous avatar comes back tomorrow. What a stinker.

    I've show a few different cuts of similar stats before, but I got a curiosity and just looked this one up, NETRTG of 2Man combos... WOOF. There is not a single player in our Top 8 is who's on the court time is improved by having Devin on the court at the same time. Holy .

    Without Dev With Dev Dev Without Both Off
    Wemby +9.97 -3.63 -16.37 -4.62
    Cp3 +4.77 -0.38 -21.72 +2.64
    Barnes +2.17 -2.86 -15.92 +6.43
    Castle +3.60 -6.25 -11.15 +4.35
    Sochan +0.06 -0.19 -14.81 +5.41
    Keldon +0.68 -19.17 -0.54 +7.11
    Champ +5.36 -12.21 -7.21 +0.74
    Incredible really. It speaks of the one-dimensionality of his style of play. For him to register an impact he has to be super efficient shooting-wise. He is the anti-thesis of Danny Green who far more affects the game with his customary 9pts-4rb-2sttl-1blk than Devin''s average 18 points

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    Kind of wish we could have traded Vassell and kept the 20131 yesterday
    They are making the same mistake they did with KJ. Trade value dropping by the hour.

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    just go to his Insta and said 'Dev, u sucks..'

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    from 20 sec onward

    Swaggy P said he has never heard the names of the Spurs young core. Vassell? He thought Sam Cassell is still playing and high 5 Agent Zero Hilarious

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    I really wonder what happened to his jumper? One would think that after last season where he was top 10 in toughest shot attempts and averaged 54.4/37.2/80.1 shooting splits, his percentages should go up. But the opposite happened, all his shooting numbers are down. I gave him the benefit of the doubt early because he had no training camp and came off surgery, but this is getting worrisome. He's definitely widely overpaid at this stage.

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    Imho Vassell needs a summer and a training camp tò be back in shape and regain confidence. His game Is not just from natural talent but instead has been builded with hard work, so a non working Summer and no training camp spoiled his development and the foot injury spoiled his shooting...probably (hopefully)next season be back tò his previous self

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    I really wonder what happened to his jumper? One would think that after last season where he was top 10 in toughest shot attempts and averaged 54.4/37.2/80.1 shooting splits, his percentages should go up. But the opposite happened, all his shooting numbers are down. I gave him the benefit of the doubt early because he had no training camp and came off surgery, but this is getting worrisome. He's definitely widely overpaid at this stage.
    Most of his attempts are tough shots since he entered the league. Even Charles Barkley pointed this out when he said he is not high on Vassell.

    Just that previous seasons he was still able to knock down those incredible shots at a decent rate. This year once the shots are not falling, he is really hurting the team.

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    Can we do a straight Vassell for Cam Johnson trade??

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    Fox will make Vassell better. Currently, he has to work so hard to get open. His defense has picked up lately. Hopefully that trend will continue as his offensive load lowers.

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    Imho Vassell needs a summer and a training camp tò be back in shape and regain confidence. His game Is not just from natural talent but instead has been builded with hard work, so a non working Summer and no training camp spoiled his development and the foot injury spoiled his shooting...probably (hopefully)next season be back tò his previous self
    stop with the excuses....His play style is terrible.Its not team basketball.Guess we didnt care the last few years cause
    we suck and were tanking.But now we trying to run a system with wemby,And vassell looks like a dumbass trying to do to much
    with dribbling or long fadeways trying to be a big shot maker.Just doesnt fit with us.Needs to be benched

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    Fox will make Vassell better. Currently, he has to work so hard to get open. His defense has picked up lately. Hopefully that trend will continue as his offensive load lowers.
    Stop it...Guy gets open shots,Hes just been bricking em.He makes the game difficult for himself and his
    team mates everytime he touches the ball.

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    Stop it...Guy gets open shots,Hes just been bricking em.He makes the game difficult for himself and his
    team mates everytime he touches the ball.
    He is having a bad year. He also didnt have a pre season. This happens throughout the NBA.

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    he seems to struggle when playing with castle, the plays aren't quite right
    Stop trashing Stephon Castle. You'll find anything to talk about him.

    How about instead of singling out Steph, how about saying he struggles when playing with anyone. It's not ing specific to Stephon.

    Back to Devin. Is it possible that foot injury has screwed him up? I remember him being better than this, but also, people say he's only good as the lead player on a tanking team and I disagree with that. Back when the Spurs made the play-in, I remember Devin stepped up against NO and Dejounte didn't show up at all that game (Dejounte was coming off of illness, though, missing the last games of the season, so I won't completely trash him). I thought Devin showed mental toughness that game and looked like a keeper. I just don't know if it's the foot surgery this season, or what has happened to him. I thought he was mentally tougher and better than this.
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    The eye test and the advanced stats don’t lie, Devin is having a horrible season.
    The injury and time off clearly set him back.
    Even if he returns to last year’s form, does he fit on a team where Wemby and Fox take 40+ shots a game?
    He has to be efficient to fit and we’re not seeing it right now.

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    Stop trashing Stephon Castle. You'll find anything to talk about him.

    How about instead of singling out Steph, how about saying he struggles when playing with anyone. It's not ing specific to Stephon.

    Back to Devin. Is it possible that foot injury has screwed him up? I remember him being better than this, but also, people say he's only good as the lead player on a tanking team and I disagree with that. Back when the Spurs made the play-in, I remember Devin stepped up against NO and Dejounte didn't show up at all that game (Dejounte was coming off of illness, though, missing the last games of the season, so I won't completely trash him). I thought Devin showed mental toughness that game and looked like a keeper. I just don't know if it's the foot surgery this season, or what has happened to him. I thought he was mentally tougher and better than this.
    I think he went 7/7 from 3 that game. Can't find the highlights though.

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    I'm not trying to make excuses for him and I know it wasn't the same injury as James Anderson, but I'm beginning to wonder if it was career altering all the same.

    Guy was always inconsistent and slightly underwhelming, but not to this extreme.

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    Previous avatar comes back tomorrow. What a stinker.

    I've show a few different cuts of similar stats before, but I got a curiosity and just looked this one up, NETRTG of 2Man combos... WOOF. There is not a single player in our Top 8 is who's on the court time is improved by having Devin on the court at the same time. Holy .

    Without Dev With Dev Dev Without Both Off
    Wemby +9.97 -3.63 -16.37 -4.62
    Cp3 +4.77 -0.38 -21.72 +2.64
    Barnes +2.17 -2.86 -15.92 +6.43
    Castle +3.60 -6.25 -11.15 +4.35
    Sochan +0.06 -0.19 -14.81 +5.41
    Keldon +0.68 -19.17 -0.54 +7.11
    Champ +5.36 -12.21 -7.21 +0.74
    This is so bad my brain refuses to believe it's real. I don't even dislike Vassell that much, he's been this season but I always thought him as a weapon off the bench in a contender would work. Rough chart to look at.

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    Swaggy P said he has never heard the names of the Spurs young core. Vassell? He thought Sam Cassell is still playing and high 5 Agent Zero Hilarious
    i know swaggy p was never the posterchild for bbiq, but this is why i never take it seriously when former players criticize pundits about how "you didnt play, so you cant evaluate" talk

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    I think he went 7/7 from 3 that game. Can't find the highlights though.
    He was also one of the few guys who showed up with balls in the last Cup group game against PHX. I will give Dev credit, he has shown up in the only two meaningful games we've played in the last 5 years.

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    i know swaggy p was never the posterchild for bbiq, but this is why i never take it seriously when former players criticize pundits about how "you didnt play, so you cant evaluate" talk
    Lol yep. That logically makes zero sense considering these guys take coaching from people who didn't play in the league, and if they did, definitely were not star players.

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    I think he went 7/7 from 3 that game. Can't find the highlights though.
    He went 7/13 from 3 point range and top scored for the Spurs with 23 points on the road in New Orleans. Dejounte went 5-19 and Keldon 6-20. I give Dejounte a bit of a pass as he missed the games in April with some sort of illness, but Devin was one of the only players I was happy with after that game.

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    Stop trashing Stephon Castle. You'll find anything to talk about him.

    How about instead of singling out Steph, how about saying he struggles when playing with anyone. It's not ing specific to Stephon.

    Back to Devin. Is it possible that foot injury has screwed him up? I remember him being better than this, but also, people say he's only good as the lead player on a tanking team and I disagree with that. Back when the Spurs made the play-in, I remember Devin stepped up against NO and Dejounte didn't show up at all that game (Dejounte was coming off of illness, though, missing the last games of the season, so I won't completely trash him). I thought Devin showed mental toughness that game and looked like a keeper. I just don't know if it's the foot surgery this season, or what has happened to him. I thought he was mentally tougher and better than this.
    first: why?
    second: i didn't blame stephon.

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