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On paper, Ace Bailey has almost all the things we are needing: length, athleticism, defense, shooting.
The worrisome part is the doubts about his BBIQ, this team can't keep stacking up low IQ basketball players.
There's no universe where I'd take Ace Bailey over Dylan Harper. Bailey isn't absolutely horrible, but he's very problematic as an individual player, much less one in the Spurs' system. Don't draft according to position, get the good player.
On paper, Ace Bailey has almost all the things we are needing: length, athleticism, defense, shooting.
The worrisome part is the doubts about his BBIQ, this team can't keep stacking up low IQ basketball players.
Last edited by DAF86; 05-13-2025 at 08:12 PM.
yeah... the difference is notable. remember that coming into the season, Bailey was the consensus #2 to Flagg. bailey had a lot of eyes on him, so its not like he'd gone unnoticed or flown under the radar. as people were watching Rutgers mainly to follow Ace, it became more and more clear that Harper was just the better player.
i still like Ace a lot. he's #3 on my board ahead of VJ, and i think he is a clear, seamless fit given his profile and skill set. but i do think its a clear tier gap between Harper and Bailey, such that i wouldnt consider picking him over dylan
eh. you dont trade stars for role players, so you also shouldnt trade a projected star for a projected role player. it would have to be significant assets to cough up #2 this year.Let's say Harper has all-star ceiling and Bailey high end role playing ceiling. Wouldn't be better to trade down and get the player that fits better plus additional assets?
Many times, a high end role player that fits is way more valuable than an all-star that doesn't fit. For example, would you rather draft a Trae Young or an Eric Gordon? (I'm not comparing Dylan and Ace to Trae and Eric).
I hate to sound like a broken record (because I've replied this before to others) but if the Bailey archetype is really that much more preferred over Harper... then I think you are best off just trying to get #7 and TMIII from NOP, since TMIII is the 95th percentile outcome of Ace Bailey.
Spurs arent good enough yet to draft for fit imo. they should take BPA and it seems that is easily Harper. take him and worry about the fit later
That was never the issue. Their cheap ass owner didn’t want to pay even $1 of luxury tax, so they shipped Harden out for nothing over about $2M a season.
[QUOTE=Ice009;11242096]Did MJ really say that? Because if so, Harper was on the Clippers when the Bulls were making all their Championship runs so Jordan never would have had to face him in the playoffs.
First off, I'm remembering this from around 30 years ago or more. I may have killed some brain cells before and after this.
Secondly, Harper played against Jordan in the playoffs when he was in Cleveland. MJ's verbiage might have been more that he didn't want to face him in a head-to-head matchup in the playoffs or that he knew what kind of defender Harper was from playing against him in the playoffs. Maybe Harper was a free agent at the time? Who knows?
I was paraphrasing this from decades ago.
Thirdly, the whole point is that we should draft Dylan Harper. He is descended from NBA greatness, especially on the defensive end.
He is...but Spurs should still listen to teams trying to move up (while not desperately shopping the pick around...as the three players can work together)
A TM3+Herb+#7 package would be interesting.
Brandon Miller+#4 (then probably taking Edgecombe) could do it as well.
Coulibaly+Sarr+#6 is the third enticing trade down proposal.
...not saying these other teams want to make those deals, but if they view Harper as that upcoming star player, they might be willing to do it (while receiving a player or two back to make salarys work).
But after all these trades could still go down as "Wtf were the Spurs thinking back in '25...Harper is in the MVP conversation now."
[QUOTE=ginobilized;11242194]I agree with you about drafting, Dylan, I just wasn't sure about Jordan's comments as I was doing research earlier and saw he was with the Clippers for quite a while before signing with the Bulls. That's what threw me off, but Scott mentioned that they did meet in the playoffs twice when he was still with Cleveland which I didn't know. Still, you made it sound like Jordan made those comments just before they signed him, so that also threw me off as he wasn't in the east for 4 or 5 seasons before he got to the Bulls so he wasn't really in Jordan's way. Thanks for clarifying and explaining it to me.
According to FTF, ours is the best offer the Bucks can get.
I would be greedy and ask for TMIII, Herb Jones and #7. Would the Pelicans even consider such a trade?
In an instant. They'd be flipping three good role-players for a potential franchise guy.
After a day to think on it, I think I'm leaning keep him. How hilarious would it be if the Spurs start winning with small ball lineups as soon as Pop retires?
I love that trade. Way more than a Giannis one.
#7, TMIII, Herb Jones and Alvarado for Keldon, Vassell and #2 works.
Fox / Alvarado
Castle / Knueppel (#7)
TMIII / Champagnie
Herb / Barnes
Wemby / Maluach (#14)
Then I might do it, tbh.
That's just ing insane, no offense.
They think we still have the Chicago pick so …
How? You are trading a potential all-star, that might pan out or not, for two of the most elite high end role players in the league, both on great contracts, another solid rotation piece and #7, who for all we know might even end up better than the #2 pick.
Why are you acting as if Harper is some kind of Wemby "can't miss" type prospect? Remember Scoot? He was way more hyped than Harper coming in and look how that turned out. What about Zion, Ben Simmons, etc.? I really don't understand how can anyone say "that's ing insane" to this type of trade. If anything, the Pelicans might not even go for it.
Nah man bring that up any time Bailey gets mentioned. Bailey is a scary pick to make, like I could see him ending up Alfredrick Hughes level bad with his complete inability to put the ball on the floor, lack of defense, lack of court vision, etc. And he's not even 6'10" so the size isn't anything all too special either at the SF. I mean with his shotmaking skills I would take him over guys like Kon, Maluach, Bryant, and such and hope it translates to the NBA but being so limited to one skill and being bad in other facets has to be terrifying if you're a GM staking your career on the pick. Stephen Jackson was like that offensively and carved out a great career but he was a ing dawg on the defensive end too.
Nah man.How? You are trading a potential all-star, that might pan out or not, for two of the most elite high end role players in the league, both on great contracts, another solid rotation piece and #7, who for all we know might even end up better than the #2 pick.
Why are you acting as if Harper is some kind of Wemby "can't miss" type prospect? Remember Scoot? He was way more hyped than Harper coming in and look how that turned out. What about Zion, Ben Simmons, etc.? I really don't understand how can anyone say "that's ing insane" to this type of trade
Getting a few good role players absolutely does not equate to giving up a potential franchise piece. I realize you guys are in love with Murphy, but it's a horrible idea.
How? You are trading a potential all-star, that might pan out or not, for two of the most elite high end role players in the league, both on great contracts, another solid rotation piece and #7, who for all we know might even end up better than the #2 pick.
Why are you acting as if Harper is some kind of Wemby "can't miss" type prospect? Remember Scoot? He was way more hyped than Harper coming in and look how that turned out. What about Zion, Ben Simmons, etc.? I really don't understand how can anyone say "that's ing insane" to this type of trade
Fans love draft picks. They can’t treat them rationally
Spurs like big-hand players. Harper is 9.3 inches. Castle is 8.75. Ace Bailey is 8.5.
What 'draft pick'? You mean Dylan Harper?
Bro just said the "#7" could be worth more than Dylan Harper. Without saying who that 7 pick is. Who's being irrational here?
Scoot also had a horrible season on GLI, Zion became the fat we were all scared he would, and Simmons turned out a low motor bum. Don't really have those same concerns with Harper. Not saying he's can't miss, Flagg is the only can't miss prospect in this draft and we have seen some seemingly great looking #2 picks like Derrick Williams flame out. And I have serious concerns that Harper couldn't lead his team to the tournament. But the downside seems pretty low with him as he has great positional size and strength. I wouldn't be calling for Brian's head if he traded Harper and Vassell for Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, and the #7 as Murphy would be a wildly good fit on this roster, but I think I'm leaning towards drafting Harper and seeing if he can live up to his upside as the Spurs probably aren't going to get another chance at this kind of prospect in the draft for another 10-20 years. Think I have cooled on trading him for Giannis too (though a lot of that is having to pay Giannis a 35% supermax which will make the cap situation a mess in two years).How? You are trading a potential all-star, that might pan out or not, for two of the most elite high end role players in the league, both on great contracts, another solid rotation piece and #7, who for all we know might even end up better than the #2 pick.
Why are you acting as if Harper is some kind of Wemby "can't miss" type prospect? Remember Scoot? He was way more hyped than Harper coming in and look how that turned out. What about Zion, Ben Simmons, etc.? I really don't understand how can anyone say "that's ing insane" to this type of trade
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-13-2025 at 09:57 PM.
I don't think it's a horrible idea when you already have your franchise player, your established veteran #2, and another potential all-star whose game is pretty similar to the potential "franchise player" you are trading away.
Think of it this way: if you already have Giannis, Middleton and Holiday in your team, would you rather add to that core Damian Lillard or Danny Green, Brook Lopez and the #7 pick in the draft?
And I'm being kind with the comparissons, for all we know, Troy Murphy might end up being an all-star before Harper ever becomes a franchise player.
It is not as simple as you think it is, tbh.
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