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    The Oden example was meant only to illustrate in the most obvious way that saying "if Scola doesn't turn out to be a valuable player, then this will have been a good trade" is an absolute logical fallacy. What Scola does next year has no bearing on the fact that it was a horrible trade now.
    Oh, then that is a poor comparison since it depends solely on how one thinks the player will perform in the NBA, regardless of any fantasy injury. Oden is as close to a sure thing as can be imagined. Do you consider Scola a sure thing? I don't, but I know it costs what Scola got to find out. The Spurs didn't want to so the did what they could with Scola's rights in the time frame that was given them.

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    @ the attempts to defend the Scola trade

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    Scola, Scola. THANK YOU SPURS; THANK YOU.

    I Love The Spurs

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    How many points off fts?
    why don´t you ask :why He got fouled so many times instead???smarty pents?

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    Scola, Scola. THANK YOU SPURS; THANK YOU.
    I Love The Spurs
    You don´t abuse our forum hospitality
    Are you ready to cry in the playoffs? With Scola or without him, Houston lose against Spurs in 5.

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    Oh, then that is a poor comparison since it depends solely on how one thinks the player will perform in the NBA, regardless of any fantasy injury. Oden is as close to a sure thing as can be imagined. Do you consider Scola a sure thing? I don't, but I know it costs what Scola got to find out. The Spurs didn't want to so the did what they could with Scola's rights in the time frame that was given them.
    It is a perfect comparison, because it points out the complete logical absurdity of arguing that "it will be a good trade if Scola doesn't pan out".

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    It's really a petty that Scola won't play next to Manu and Oberto. Spurs would have had 3 out of 5 Olympic Champions.

    The Spurs still have a great team and the "loss" of Scola won't affect team's expectations for the next Season : REPEAT.

    But.....let's have in mind that during the season we'll have those days where we'll regret for not having Scola and "viceversa".

    The problem here is that we received nothing but money and a future pick for this trade, things that doesn't show up on the court next season.....that's a feeling of emptyness which leads everyone to think about a Scola as a Loss.

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    My first reaction about the Scola trade is that it was really bad and then I tried to rationalize and ask myself these questions :

    1) Were Spurs right not to spend $10M on Scola to get him with a Spurs jersey ?
    2) Were Spurs right to give up on Butler ?
    3) What kind of deal could have Spurs get for Scola if they hadn't packaged him with Butler in a cost cutting trade ?
    4) Is trading Scola to Houston, a conference rival, a big deal ?
    5) Was keeping Scola's right a better solution than trading him ?

    My answers :
    1) Maybe. Scola was a great player in Europe and has a lot of qualities but I have too serious concern about his ability to translate his game in nba. If I were Spurs GM, I think that I would have finally sign him but it's not an obvious choice. I'm not sure too than Spending $10M on Scola is a better move than spending $9M on Bonner.
    2) Yes. Butler is talented but his lack of defense and his so-so at ude really hurt him.
    3) I'm not sure that Spurs could have had a good package for Scola alone. The situation wasn't an easy one for Spurs : Tau's deadline, Scola must agree to be trade to a certain team, Scola asking for $10M and GMs questioning why Spurs haven't signed him.
    4) No. I'm quite sure that Scola won't be better in his rookie year than other MLE bigmen like Joe Smith. Maybe in two or three years, it will hurt Spurs but I doubt it.
    5) No. I really think that Scola would have signed an extension with Tau if Spurs have closed nba doors to him. Trading him has allowed Spurs to save some money and to spend it on other players.

    I still don't like the Scola trade but I don't consider him as an horrible trade. I now think that it's a quite meaningless trade. Maybe I'm wrong and Scola and/or Butler will be very good nba players but we will see what will happen.

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    My first reaction about the Scola trade is that it was really bad and then I tried to rationalize and ask myself these questions :

    1) Were Spurs right not to spend $10M on Scola to get him with a Spurs jersey ?
    2) Were Spurs right to give up on Butler ?
    3) What kind of deal could have Spurs get for Scola if they hadn't packaged him with Butler in a cost cutting trade ?
    4) Is trading Scola to Houston, a conference rival, a big deal ?
    5) Was keeping Scola's right a better solution than trading him ?

    My answers :
    1) Maybe. Scola was a great player in Europe and has a lot of qualities but I have too serious concern about his ability to translate his game in nba. If I were Spurs GM, I think that I would have finally sign him but it's not an obvious choice. I'm not sure too than Spending $10M on Scola is a better move than spending $9M on Bonner.
    2) Yes. Butler is talented but his lack of defense and his so-so at ude really hurt him.
    3) I'm not sure that Spurs could have had a good package for Scola alone. The situation wasn't an easy one for Spurs : Tau's deadline, Scola must agree to be trade to a certain team, Scola asking for $10M and GMs questioning why Spurs haven't signed him.
    4) No. I'm quite sure that Scola won't be better in his rookie year than other MLE bigmen like Joe Smith. Maybe in two or three years, it will hurt Spurs but I doubt it.
    5) No. I really think that Scola would have signed an extension with Tau if Spurs have closed nba doors to him. Trading him has allowed Spurs to save some money and to spend it on other players.

    I still don't like the Scola trade but I don't consider him as an horrible trade. I now think that it's a quite meaningless trade. Maybe I'm wrong and Scola and/or Butler will be very good nba players but we will see what will happen.
    Just wait until your buddy Mahinmi and Tiago start sucking up with Spurs jerseys,and them talk.
    we all gonna regret this trade,sooner or later.

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    Spurs' fans should root for Argentina in this tournament.
    If Argentina doesn't end in the top 2, they will have to play another Olympic qualifying tournament next year and Oberto and Ginobili will have a very busy summer next year.
    Late coming into this thread, but I root for Argentina because we have a kinship with them now.

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    hopefully we´ll win tonight and them we´ll go after the ¨Big timers¨.

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    The problem here is that we received nothing but money and a future pick for this trade, things that doesn't show up on the court next season.....that's a feeling of emptyness which leads everyone to think about a Scola as a Loss.

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    That money helped us get Udoka, who will be here next year. We also dont know how the pick will turn out. Im not judging this trade till everything is played out. The SPurs were happy with their team, i dont know why everyone else isnt

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    He averaged like .5 blocks in Europe last year.
    NBA doenst have the same rules for shots blocking tha FIBA.
    Most of Tiago´s bolck under FIBA rules will be GOALTEANDING in the NBA.
    So I´m not sure how good of a shot blocker Tiago can be under NBA rules.

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    NBA doenst have the same rules for shots blocking tha FIBA.
    Most of Tiago´s bolck under FIBA rules will be GOALTEANDING in the NBA.
    So I´m not sure how good of a shot blocker Tiago can be under NBA rules.
    Oh, my lord, you saying that in 20 threads isn't going to make it so.

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    Oh, my lord, you saying that in 20 threads isn't going to make it so.
    I dont even think he watched the game, just looked at the stat sheet

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    I dont even think he watched the game, just looked at the stat sheet
    I did watched it,and was laughin my ass off out of the Scola´s haters.

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    I did watched it,and was laughin my ass off out of the Scola´s haters.
    Why? Scola didnt prove other than he hustles, can make fts, and cant score with Splitter on him
    Last edited by mardigan; 08-30-2007 at 06:43 PM.

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    that's right! I had forgotten about that

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    We have to stop signing these Argies,otherwise our club will be called the San Anargentina espuelas,instead of San Antonio Spurs.

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    Why? Scola didnt prove other than he hustles, can make fts, and cant score with Splitter on him
    Let´s see...
    he hustles,makes Fts.,good passer and is clutch.................
    yeap,you are right, we don´t need him

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    Let´s see...
    he hustles,makes Fts.,good passer and is clutch.................
    yeap,you are right, we don´t need him
    we do not for the full mle and have him play 5 minutes agame unless duncan gets hurt

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    we do not for the full mle and have him play 5 minutes agame unless duncan gets hurt
    yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............

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    yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............
    Whos proven he can play in the NBA

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    yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............
    no booner was cheaper then the full mle and does not play the same place as duncan
    booner shoots three pointers duncan does not

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