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So the Spurs could save a team a ton of money by taking in a $17-Million player and using a couple of their seconds to get teams to take in Branham and Wesley. Still need a target, but that might be enough savings to earn an unprotected first.
My issue is a Vassell, imo, from my obs, is that his is a bad at the SF spot, especially on D. He just seems weak on the hips, can't slow down players until help can come. And if the Spurs are going with these three guard rotation, with possibly CP3 or whoever they want to play as their fourth guard like Wesley or Branham, Vassell is exclusively playing the 3. His minutes at the 2 is going to be very rare.
Another concern I have with the Fox/Harper/Castle/Vassall combos - if the spurs are going into season with a 'look and see' vibe. The Spurs could lose value on two of those players.
So the Spurs could save a team a ton of money by taking in a $17-Million player and using a couple of their seconds to get teams to take in Branham and Wesley. Still need a target, but that might be enough savings to earn an unprotected first.
In that case, my strategy would be to use one of these teams to improve the quality of my current picks. For example (and not sure if the math aligns), but something like Okoro + 2030FRP for Malaki + 3SRPs.
Absolutely, I looked at those rosters in the context of you suggestion and there's not a lot there in that $17M range. Max Struss would work or you could go smaller like Wesley for Hauser or go bigger like Wesley + Keldon for Porzingis.
I still think there is a 3 way deal that makes a lot of sense involving Garland and Vassel, where the Spurs get stuff from a 3rd team.
Something like:
UTH: Garland + Spurs SRPs
CLE: Vassell + 5
SAS: Collins + future Jazz picks
(For the record, the ship has sailed on Jollins for me, but just an example).
I know this is just an example... but why would Utah want Garland?
I ask this, because I see a lot of scenarios where teams like BKN, UTA, etc. are participating in these hypothetical deals, spending assets to acquire higher end talent or taking on salary... but unless you think they're going to go into the mode of competing, I don't see why they would do this. These teams are more likely to ac ulate assets by selling talent, renting cap space or taking on underperforming players than they are to send out assets. In this hypothetical, I can't see why the Jazz would give up 5 and future picks in order to take on Garland... unless you feel they are going to give up on tanking and try to build around Garland and Lauri.
One thing I'd be interested in is finding potential partners to move up and down from 14.
Moving down seems easier, as there are several teams with multiple picks in the mid to late first or early second round: Nets (19, 26, 27), OKC (15, 24), Orlando (16, 25), Minnesota (17, 31), Charlotte (33, 34). This feels like the more probable scenario, if you don't love the available options you could package 14 and 38 for, say, 19 and 26, or include a couple more second rounders and turn that into 15 and 24 or 16 and 25.
Another (less likely) scenario would be moving up from 14, if someone unexpectedly falls. Say Knueppel is there at 9 or 10, what do you offer the Raptors and Rockets? Maybe you can interest the Raptors in a trade for RJ Barrett, either for Keldon (money savings) or Vassell (if they like him better)? Not really sure what would convince Houston or Portland, though.
I would be pissed to take on Barrett. An undersize 3, more of a put the ball on the floor type of scorer. Not a great shooter, no where near like Vassell. I honestly rather have Poeltl back. At least he can play a role.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think that too.
For example, a trade like Vassell and #14 for Anunoby is something I can see happening.
It's not about Barrett being the answer, it's about getting an asset (moving up in the draft) while getting rid of Vassell's contract that is 4 years instead of Barrett's 2 at about the same money.
Sam Hauser
DiVincenzo
Cody Martin
Dean Wade
Isaac Okoro
are all players I could see us absorb to help teams shed salary. I doubt we'll get an asset out of it. Maybe a couple 2nds for Okoro. For Hauser or DiVincenzo we'd probably have to send some out.
Ted Cruz is the other potential players in the realm of shooters - Salary fits, but Phoenix has no path to getting talent in, doubt they're in dumping Grayson Allen mode.
I hadn't thought of Donte, but interesting - cancel the swap on Minnesota's pick in 2031 (its a double swap we'd still (I think) be able to have the Dallas Swap), dump Malaki and Julian. I think that's about the value, and their willingness to do that (given they're in a le contention window), money, and confidence in Terrence Shannon over time.
why would you trade Champagnie? His contract is way to good to include him in any trades.
I was just thinking of teams that need a PG. Those two and Orlando are the ones that immediately come to mind. I take the point on Utah. Thought there was that (1) they would pivot to a trade after missing on the draft, (2) so long as Lauri is on the team they’re not completely tanking (or at least they’re hindered by that massive deal), and (3) Garland/Lauri could be decent foundation
I keep seeing people mention him in trades.He probably our best player that fits perfectly next to wemby,castle,fox and most
likely harper as well.Hes still young as well.
It would have to involve something substantial to move Champ, I would hope. He's 23 and still developing and can easily see him establishing himself as a bonafide sniper. I thought he was starting to look a little friskier on the court too as the season came to a close, especially on defense. He absolutely can mature into a Danny Green caliber player.
The teams that need him the most are probably Golden State, Orlando, and Cleveland. I just can’t seem to find a trade that works. Would be easier if Kominga wasn’t so controversial.
Vassell got good?
I like the RJ Barret rumor these are the kind of value you want high level athletes and blue chip dynamic players that is yet to find a role. maybe they buy in and you get an Aaron Gordon dynamic role player for little risk. I think it applies to Devin the same way, skilled players that just needs to scale down. Some ex is Wiggins in GSW. Ayton could that guy i don't know if it is for us though. They did go after Ingram, meaning they won't force it if it is too costly. I really don't like going after the Camara TMIII Herb there is no value. Derrick White is a guy who was having an awful season before BOS traded for him that is value.
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I don't know why we would want to trade for RJ Barrett. Not that I believe it's real, cause it comes from one random guy on twitter, but he's signed for another 2 years of 28 and 29.5 million.
The only players you could package for him are Devin, Keldon or Barnes + Branham or Wesley. He doesn't shoot nor defend better than Devin. For Keldon or Barnes cool, but I'm not sending out a first round pick for him.
Also not sure how many gay pros utes are available in San Antonio, since he's into that.
The Barrett idea is just pointless and is a step back. Spurs could do with an upgrade from Devin at the small forward spot. With a small forward size. And Barrett is not it. He isn't a complimentary player. He kinda needs to be the third best scorer on the team, perhaps even the second best scorer on the team, unless he takes some discount and plays the Keldon role. But if your are paying him the third most on the team, to stand in the corner and get out of the way from fox, Castle or Harper - then it's a waste. It's not his game.
let me educate the noobs above, if they are bringing in Scoot 2.0 the only way it works giving everybody on ball reps, mitigating shooting is if they run the 2020-2021 drive and kick offense. What does it need 4 or 5 dribble pass and shoot players. Who played the 4 and had his best season of his career on that offense KJ. Now bigs, spot up wings become record scratch players on that offense, lack of passing or driving etc. Once i acquire barret i ask him to put on 5+lbs and he would play the 4. He has the athleticism to put on more weight. Then you solve your roster problem.
thinking a 6'5'' guy can play PF and guard Chet Holmgren, Aaron Gordon, JJJ, etc.
. that is why i prefer trading scoot for the greak freak. if you are drafting scoot barret is way cheaper than Durant.
He's actually THE biggest re on this forum.
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