His shot selection waa a big critique of mine when he first came in, and it wasn't received well. His hero ball mindset is really out of flow with the game. I don't mind him hitting that in the flow of the game but when you have two teammates playing really good and you're getting bullied into fadeaway deep 2s...it's time to rethink things.
I personally don't mind the spurs letting him do this now though. The easiest way to teach is through film. He's getting a lot of bad shots up on film. He can't argue with film. He can argue the decision if it didn't work put and they had gone away from him, but letting him make these mistakes allow him to learn the best way tbh. It's painstaking but necessary if he's really going to develop into that guy.
I trust that process and don't mind 1 more really good draft pick.
I don't totally disagree with this but man it is difficult to watch him play with so little structure. I feel like Pop is afraid to reign him in because he might stop him from pushing the boundaries but it's going to be really hard to watch Wemby jack up logo 3s for another 79 games. That just feels so incredibly inefficient.
I know it's not cool or hip but Wemby should try the sky hook.
Would be nice but I think Kareem was forced into it by the NCAA banning dunking.
Kind of frustrating seeing Wemby's shot selection improve so much last year and then go back to again at the end of the season when Devin, Keldon, and Sochan had their season ended early. Feels like Victor took the wrong lesson from the Spurs going .500 with him to end the season.
Poor coaching maybe? I know Wemby is accountable for the responsibility but I also think it's a coaches job to get their players into a more structured and focused mindset with a plan of execution and teaching the patience and discipline that is needed for quality shots rather then letting him freestyle it so much.
I don't know but when I look at Wemby I see a super talented star player that's just not being well coached right now.
Absolutely. Five-ten-fifteen years ago Pop was an amazing coach as you could see from the growth by Kawhi and Danny Green, then Dejounte and Derrick White. Now just wish he had retired last April so the Spurs could have brought Bud in to the job he was being groomed for before Phoenix offered him their HC job.
The good news is that it seems like most people on here are noticing this problem, so it is definitely not going unnoticed elsewhere. He seems to have high aspirations, so he'll get a sense that he needs structure, defined actions to take, and overall efficiency when people start throwing out the "maybe Wembanyama isn't that good" accusations.
I am an easy cliff-jumper and one of the first to be negative, but even knowing that about myself, still Vic did not look like someone you can go to for a highly probable bucket tonight. People are going to talk if this is gonna be his playstyle, cause it's not going to work on teams with a good coach and good players who have seen Vic before.
For a while, you could put a pesky small on like Bruce Bowen on Dirk and Dirk would get shaken, but he eventually adjusted. Wemby must figure that out too, on top of developing reliable scoring opportunities.
I shouldn't have watched the game. Victor is terrible on offense. He's weak, and takes absolutely stupid shots and doesn't play in the flow of the offense when he's looking for his own shot. He has no go-to moves or shots. So in-efficient. He'll never win anything playing like this. The guy is not as smart as he thinks he is.
He's 20. Also, what flow of the offense?
I still think he's a couple years away from a top 5 player. The strenght would come naturally. The team knows the ceiling is capped no matter what moves they make if Victor is the first option the next few seasons, that is why they are still in asset ac ulation mode. He knows he won't threaten the GOAT le when he goes the AD route in his skill development, that is why we really don't hear impatience comments with him.
His age has nothing to do with it. He's smart, but it seems like he's looking for his own shot. He does try and make the right play when he finds that he's trapped and can't do whatever move he was trying to do. He needs to work on his fundamentals more (he needs someone like Tim Duncan to teach him some actual fundamentals instead of trying to rely on his otherworldly ability). Set a proper screen is one thing he can learn. Stop wasting energy trying to get himself into position to take a tough shot.He's 20. Also, what flow of the offense?
Edit : I should say, I wasn't happy with the way he played on offense. On defense, he was much, much better. Rebounded well, blocked shots and was tough on the end of the court. Maybe he should focus on defense and try and play within the offense on the other side of the ball instead of taking poor shots all the time. Be more decisive with the ball, and get to the rim more, not settle for terrible jump shots against smaller players. If he's got an open shot, great, take it, but don't work to get a tough shot against a smaller player. He's just tiring himself out working to only take a bad shot and bailing out the defense at the same time. I don't know, I'd be happy if he proves me wrong and starts hitting those shots consistently, but they're not really good shots to take.
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I have no doubt he'll adjust and prevail in the long run.
Team does not seem to have established plays for him too, on top of his own difficulty establishing position.
They need basic plays like off-ball screens and action like they had late last season.
Well, must be Chris Paul still adjusting to him too.
It's quite horrible to see.
At the start of the possession, the idea is to make Victor a Jokic-style center point, but while the Joker floats on the water like a big buoy during a tsunami, Victor seems to be an oak tree submerged by an overflowing bathtub.
We see the water slowly rising while he has the ball in his hand not knowing what to do with it, and the four other players seem to be slumped on their sofa watching the weather channel.
On the edge of the field, Pop watches inertly as the oak undergoes the tide, but our coach potato seems to count the bottles of grand cru in his cellar before shouting at his other four players to raise the sound level of the weather channel foreshadowing that a disaster is coming.
Then, the Spurs lose the ball like dwarf waterpolo players, the opposing team quickly scores in transition. Victor brings the ball up and from the Joker, we move on to a Curry halloween mask: since the playing field is flooded, Oakland baby giraffe decides to throw a brick over the Bay Bridge. Night-Day, Night-Day, season after season, the worst rubs shoulders with the best.
What a pain to watch.
Wemby needs a bit more patience on offence as it’s really a timing issue. When opposing teams shut down the paint he has a tendency of jacking up long inefficient threes. Great if it goes in like the last rockets game, but you can’t break the law of averages.
Yes, the rest of the team has to improve their shooting, but much of this could be mitigated if wemby gets better positioning in the high post area to receive the ball rather than getting the ball 30 feet away from the basket and freelance. He can do it, he has shown he can do it, but it’s doing it over and over again despite it not being his preference.
The pb is that people assume that when you can do more you can do less, but Wemby is an exception.
He can do stuff out of this world but he still can't do the basic job of a center or a PF, he's really a guard in a 7'5' body.
Now the roster and the coach clearly don't help but Wemby also has a huge resp in this. He needs to change something as well
Wemby can jack up long inefficient threes all game if he wants to, that shot will be always be open. He's not shooting that because the defense is forcing him to or cutting off all his other options he's shooting it because he wants to and wants to make highlight reels.
He needs to stop jacking those threes. Other team are gonna let him to do, if those % keep up.
At some point too much leeway translates to the development of bad habits. Wemby needs to realize that he will never reach his potential playing playground ball.
That is the worst mishmash of metaphors I have ever read.
criticism are a bit harsh for the first 3 games of the season. Victor and Spurs are rightfully so aiming at developing a 3 pts shooting, he won't do that if he does not shoot. When you are 7'4 all you shoot seems open tbh.. he will learn. KD and Lebron started shooting below 30% in their first year, the 5 first games of Lebron year 2 he shot 23% from 3. The aim should be a 4 to 5 3 pts per game at around 35%. In his first 3 games he had 6 apg which is too much but also linked to the lack of the team 3 pts option, the return of Vassell will solve that issue. Vassell with CP3 and Victor passing should thrive in that regard.
For the rest, against Houston Victor was clearly under the weather. I saw his post game, he was coughing and sneezing.
Relax with the "horrible to see", the "he wants highlights reels" and all dat , I know it's spurstalk but come on
Hes taking shots like hes curry.Hes not cut that out.Take the open 3s is fine,But hes taking stupid outside shots and its becoming
For the rest, against Houston Victor was clearly under the weather. I saw his post game, he was coughing and sneezing.
Relax with the "horrible to see", the "he wants highlights reels" and all dat , I know it's spurstalk but come on
a habit for him.
Problem is not percentage, problem is shot selection and off balance shots. It's time to stop for Victor to be a Tik-Tok highlights machine and learn to play in the easiest way. No one is going to block him, so he has to find his spots, take his time, fake to cause fouls and go to the line. The percentages will never be correct if he never takes the same shot. Also the game must stop continually 'moving' around him: as soon as we give him the ball away from the racket, nothing happens and the game seems to be in slow motion. It would be interesting if this creates favorable situations like in the good times of Tim Duncan, except that Victor seems at this moment to be an old PC under Windows 95 which calculates an infinite time to produce a simple three-digit calculation (worst metaphor I have never read).
It seems you want Victor be like any other center or like something we know (KD, Jokic, Dirk...), newsflash he is not... if he does not try and settle for the easiest when he will figure out what he can really be ? Prospect here is not being a top 5 center in history, prospect or ambition is to have a shot at being the best ever. Maybe he can do that emulating other players or find his own way, creates his own hookshot. Then on your it would be interesting if this creates favorable situations I don't get it, last night he had 5 assists.
Dude had a 14 20 5 4 night while being sick, give the kid a break and enjoy the process
It's frustrating to watch the careless turnovers and the bad shot selection, especially those bombs early in the clock. Almost all of those errors are unforced. It doesn't make sense to me that a guy who seems to have a high basketball IQ and sees the floor and passes as well as he can, can also be so braindead. I mean, this isn't exactly Pop taking the reins off of Manu. This is just Vic doing stupid .
It's frustrating to watch Vic get put in a straightjacket by a guy who is a foot shorter than him. And let's face it, they aren't doing him any favors with the actions they are running. Hey Vic, here's the ball 30 feet from the basket, go do something. Mix in a cross screen or a back pick maybe to free him up?
I thought that Chris Paul would clean some of this stuff up, but I'm not seeing much evidence of that. Granted... it's early in the season / he's sick /out of shape/ small sample size/ whatever, but if Wemby doesn't start taking better care of the ball this team isn't going to sniff the post season.
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