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    You sound like a re ed version of Sean Hannity.


    Your boy is a ing criminal and a russian asset - just deal with it.



    You’re going to be so disappointed.

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    Speaking of memo’s why would Schiff lie about Ohr’s contacts with the FBI?
    no clue if he was ignorant, misinformed, or lied outright. if he lied outright, that should be looked into.

    either way, i never put weight into anybody's "muh memo" because those are just political noise.

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    proof that the memos dont mean jack .

    what was the legal effect of the nunes memo after its release?

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    the probable cause required to get a warrant is a much lower standard than the "beyond reasonable doubt" which they would need to convict (and prosecutors wouldn't indict somebody unless they thought they had enough to convict, as evidenced by the astronomical conviction rate of the feds)

    just because they had probable cause to get a warrant doesn't mean the guy is guilty or that have enough evidence to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.

    besides, to renew the FISA application, there's an additional burden they must meet, which they did 3 separate times. you cant just resubmit the same application and get it renewed. you need new information learned through the surveillance authorized by the previous warrant.
    They claimed Carter Page was working as an agent of Russia and used to Steele dossier to back that. They used as Comey admitted, unverified claims, and submitted them to the court.

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    if they chose to not inform the judge of potential bias because the dossier was political opposition research intended to discredit candidate trump, i think you'd have a much better argument that they deceived the judge to get a fisa warrant.

    but that's not what happened. instead, they informed the judge of potential bias because the dossier was political opposition research intended to discredit candidate trump

    this just comes down to you thinkin that they should have worded it differently or more specifically. all that matters is that the judge was aware, at the time of granting the application, that the dossier had a strong potential for bias. and he granted it anyway. and then 3 other extensions were granted by (i could be wrong) 3 other judges. and iirc all of them were republican appointees?

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    proof that the memos dont mean jack .

    what was the legal effect of the nunes memo after its release?
    Investigations are still ongoing.

    McCabe and Baker are both under criminal investigation. I’m guessing there are more that will be revealed once Barr is confirmed and Rosenstein is out of the way.

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    if they chose to not inform the judge of potential bias because the dossier was political opposition research intended to discredit candidate trump, i think you'd have a much better argument that they deceived the judge to get a fisa warrant.

    but that's not what happened. instead, they informed the judge of potential bias because the dossier was political opposition research intended to discredit candidate trump

    this just comes down to you thinkin that they should have worded it differently or more specifically. all that matters is that the judge was aware, at the time of granting the application, that the dossier had a strong potential for bias. and he granted it anyway. and then 3 other extensions were granted by (i could be wrong) 3 other judges. and iirc all of them were republican appointees?
    You think the judge would have granted the warrant if the FBI had been forthcoming and said they knew the dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign Via Perkins Coie?

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    Want to put an ELE bet on that?

    It’s not a tough question Pavlov. Yes or no?

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    Why was our IC so eager to believe in the dossier?

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    Why was our IC so eager to believe in the dossier?
    Because they wanted to pwn trump by not disclosing the existence of the investigation until after the election.

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    Investigations are still ongoing.

    McCabe and Baker are both under criminal investigation. I’m guessing there are more that will be revealed once Barr is confirmed and Rosenstein is out of the way.
    Those would have happened irrespective of the memo

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    Because they wanted to pwn trump by not disclosing the existence of the investigation until after the election.
    It was a serious question. Why TF is our director of CIA running to Harry Reid's office with oppo research?

    I would hope our IC has better intel than that.

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    It’s not a tough question Pavlov.
    You're right.

    lol muh bets

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    Why was our IC so eager to believe in the dossier?
    Steele has a good reputation in intel circles.

    Still does.

    It's not like Carter Page wasn't previously recruited by the Russians either.

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    You're right.

    lol muh bets
    Don’t be a . ELE bet yes or no.

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    You think the judge would have granted the warrant if the FBI had been forthcoming and said they knew the dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign Via Perkins Coie?
    spurraider21 ?

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    Don’t be a . ELE bet yes or no.
    No.

    There is no guarantee you would leave after you just moved to this current screen name.

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    That's not how FISA works.

    You already know this.

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    Steele has a good reputation in intel circles.

    Still does.

    It's not like Carter Page wasn't previously recruited by the Russians either.
    When was the last time Steele was in Russia?

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    When was the last time Steele was in Russia?
    Doesn't matter.

    This isn't how FISA works.

    You know this.

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    No.

    There is no guarantee you would leave after you just moved to this current screen name.
    This current screen name wasn’t in my previous ELE bet.

    I honor all bets here. I’m not a welsher. I don’t post under any other screen name, this is it. You have my guarantee I will not open another account and continue posting if I lose.

    Do we have an ELE bet yes or no?

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    Doesn't matter.

    This isn't how FISA works.

    You know this.

    Why dodge the question? You want to paint Steele as some super spy with super Russian contacts. When was the last time Steele was in Russia?

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    This current screen name wasn’t in my previous ELE bet.

    I honor all bets here. I’m not a welsher. I don’t post under any other screen name, this is it. You have my guarantee I will not open another account and continue posting if I lose.

    Do we have an ELE bet yes or no?
    No.

    There is no guarantee ever.

    Not from you.

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    Why dodge the question? You want to paint Steele as some super spy with super Russian contacts. When was the last time Steele was in Russia?
    I don't know.

    It's obvious none of this is relevant at this point, TSA.

    Call your shot -- what FISA abuse are you going to say will be found by muh Horowitz?

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    No.

    There is no guarantee ever.

    Not from you.
    Such a pussy. It’s pathetic how much this site means to your life

    You’ve made it clear you are too scared of an ELE bet. I’ll change it up.

    Loser can’t post here for 3 months. Deal?

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