Saying it 5 or 6 times doesn't necessarily make it true. Hiring of engineers has returned to pre-recession numbers according to the BLS. I'm not sure what your definition of "career" is but starting salaries from $60,000 to $120,000 depending on specialty are nothing to sneeze at.
I really do not know why anyone encourages kids (or even thier parents) to go into huge debt for a bachelor's degree. I am curious- for anyone who did on here- why? Did you just HAVE to go to that school so much that it was somehow worth saddling yourself with all this debt?
My kid has a full-tuition scholarship. Otherwise, he would be living at home, going to community college for 2 years, and then transferring to a state school.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...he-job-market/
As you see, the engineering/medical/sciences undergrad degrees all outperform the fake majors (as always), but your $60,000 to $120,000 starting salary is the same bull pipe dream as expecting a career with a Poli Sci degree.
Stop blaming my generation for ing up the economy.
That's what I did. Stayed home and went to community college, then transferred to the cheapest school around here and continued to commute from home. Eventually earned a school scholarship because of my grades, although it probably only pays for 10-15% of tuition, it still helps. I'll only have about 20k in debt when I'm all finished, not too bad I don't think. As long as I can get a job
This is what I brought up in the other thread on school costs. Its not people don't have affordable access in state that you need to somehow go to a damn private school and pay that much. That really doesn't make any sense to me.
People like CosmicCowboy, who assume an engineering grad will make $60,000 - $120,000 per year starting salary.
What part of other demographics are segmenting those spots did you not get. And great one industry. Coffeehouses are the future for our youth. They just need to take it and appreciate it. Like I said, you can only on a people for so long.
I simply referred to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
Yeah most are $50k +/- $5k.
Last edited by greyforest; 10-22-2011 at 08:13 PM.
convenient that you re-typed it and only included the minimum range and not the maximum range on salary. HUGE spread, obviously depending on the quality of the graduate.
And yeah, I can have contempt for you, you whiney little .
You literally just made numbers up from out of your head, then linked the BLS. Look:
You had a preconceived notion that was incorrect. I had to read the page you linked me and DO YOUR RESEARCH FOR YOU in order to show you what reality was.
After I did that, you reply:
OF COURSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MINIMUM. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STARTING SALARY. STARTING SALARY.
convenient that you re-typed it and only included the minimum range and not the maximum range on salary.
-I haven't "re-typed" anything. Copy and paste is amazing. I had to do that in order for you to read what was in the article you linked, because you didn't do it yourself.
-You literally fell for the same trap that you argue college kids are stupid for having made; thinking that there is a high-paying salaried job waiting for them at the end.
-After pointing this out to you, you still quite hilariously have no concept how much of a FOOL you appear to anyone with a modi of intelligence.
I'm sure you do have contempt for me, showing you that you are not smart and all.
Oh Boohoo. I think I'll go cry now. Some whiney little head on the internet with selective reading comprehension thinks I'm dumb. BooHoohoo.
Of course we are talking about the minimum. We are talking about starting salary. Starting salary.
Why Umad?
Out of a job I take it? Liberal arts degree ain't paying off like you expected?
But I guess I should be more understanding, since the current economy is the equivalent to the great depression, you know, "on paper" (never mind the fact that people during the great depression didn't have the luxury of buying made in China and had to pay like 5.00 for a bottle of milk, or the luxury of a protected savings account, or the luxury of receiving help from older family members of the previous generation, or the luxury of taking advantage of a variety of government programs).
Made sure to take your iPod when you wait in the bread line tonight. You'll probably be standing there for awhile.
The $5 milk was from a strike and you will see some of that if this climate continues. You are basically creating an environment where an entire generation is going to be antiestablishment and resent the out of their usurious elders.
Oh and BTW the homeless and poverty problem is worsening but by all means just pretend nothing is wrong. And they are the ones being called complacent and en led?
When the DOW drops 89 percent, when 5000 banks fold and can't simply ask the government for a near trillion dollars, when unemployment reaches 25%, then you can compare this to the Great Depression.
And I hope you guys become anti-establishment. Maybe it'll inspire your generation to start making some good music so I don't have to listen to in' Katy Perry and Justin Bieber every time I flip on the radio.
And Butthurtforest is also stuck on that "only 70% with engineering batchelors are working in their field"
No sherlock. Most of those 30% went ahead and got MBA's and jumped right into corporate management and six figure salaries with unlimited upside.
As opposed to Will Rogers or The Monkees? music spans the ages.
The unemployment rate for 18-25 year olds is 25%
http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea10.htm
Look at that .
True but your generation has cornered the market on trash, in every medium. Wasn't no Jersey Shore, Real Housewives Of..., Kardashian in my day. It's because your ADD, the epidemic illness of your generation, demands light entertainment that can be easily understood, digested, and forgotten. Any time I interview a youngster, I swear, you kids talk like you are stoned, stammering out words in one inarticulate blob, but the way you present yourself is largely unimportant because you expect to show me that piece of paper (degree) you overpaid for and get hired on the spot.
And 25% unemployment for 18-25 is NOT 25% for the whole country. How many of those 18 years olds polled do you think are still in high school? How many are still in college? And if you lazy, self-en led s would be willing to dig some ditches or clean some bathrooms, that number would no doubt drop.
But you want the plush salaried job the minute the dean hands you your Liberal Arts Degree. Ain't happening, bro.
Last edited by TarantinoRezDog; 10-22-2011 at 11:59 PM.
Why? So you can get a promotion?
Trying to insult those with menial jobs, I see. That quote right there provides an insight into your mentality as whole.
And what's funny is at this point the ditch-digger or custodian has more of a future than dumb kid who thought it'd be a novel idea to pay 100 grand for a Liberal Arts or Women's Studies degree.
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