Trouble in Crawford: "Why did my son die?"

[Jimcs50]

Or better yet...how about if you are anti-war you shut the up and let the VOLUNTEERS fight their ing battle without you aiding and abetting the enemy...it's not like you are over there fighting, it is a VOLUNTEER military, and Casey RE-ENLISTED AFTER THE IRAQ WAR HAD STARTED...so shut the up and let those that want to fight for this country do so. No one is forcing you you to fight, you have no draft card to burn...so stick Vietnam up your commie ass and either go fight against the US military man to man instead of doing it on the soil they are defending and giving you the right to be a terrorist sympathizing s bag or STFU...those that VOLUNTARILY ENLIST in the Miltary do so with the full knowledge that they might be sent into to a war.

These are kids that enlisted in the service. Yeah it is volunteer, but had they known what kind of quagmire they were getting into, 50% of them would never have enlisted.

It is NOT volunteer to go to Iraq...Big difference there pal.

You STFU you stupid piece of crap, you ing big man hiding behind a computer, sitting on your big fat white ass who is so easy to allow our young people go and die for NOTHING but big business.

You go enlist and fight if you are so quick to allow others to do so.

No, you are a pussy a pussy who lets others fight for you.


"commie ass"?? What a total loser you are to use that term to describe people that have a brain and speak out against the wrongs in the world.

Stop me if I am wrong, but last I checked. the Communists were not allowed to speak out against a wrong doing govt...so how can you equate a Commie with what we are doing????
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I made straight As in Political Science as well as History, so do not tell me anything about the Shah and the Pea regime.

The Soviets were involved with Iran because they are on their Southern border, you freaking numnuts and they needed access to the Gulf...it made perfect sense, you freaking moron.

[Jimcs50]

The Shah became the leader of Iran in 1941....it was he that allowed the Democratic Reform that allowed the ing Iranians to have fair elections in the first place. And he was following the path of his father.

Wrong!!

One of my best friends who is a DDS( we were in school together) grew up in Iran during the Shah's regime and since he was a Bahai, not a Muslim, his family was persecuted, arrested and killed. He escaped with his parents in 1972 and immigrated to the US because they had family here. In the 20 + yrs that I have known him, I have learned all about Iran's history and what it was like before the Shah and after the Shah. I was told horror stories that you can not even imagine....this is why I hated that freak. I know all about the Shah and his tyranny, so do not dare tell me anything different, you ing smug prick.

Call him up and talk to him. I will PM you his name and number....

[Spurminator]

evolution at work, taking stupidity out of the gene pool.

LOL... Boutons calls out "shrub loving repugs" whose kids aren't enlisting, and then when he finds one who is, it's Nature weeding out stupid people.

I bet you wouldn't send that same sentiment to an actual soldier's family, would you, you ing coward?

Do the anti-war crowd a favor and keep your opinions to yourself.

[Nbadan]

and Casey RE-ENLISTED AFTER THE IRAQ WAR HAD STARTED

And we now know from Cindy Sheehan that Casey re-enlisted because he felt he an obligation to help his comrades still in Iraq. A real hero.

Cindy wants to ask the President what ‘noble cause’ her son had to die for, not why her son died.

[Jimcs50]

And we now know from Cindy Sheehan that Casey re-enlisted because he felt he an obligation to help his comrades still in Iraq. A real hero.

Cindy wants to ask the President what ‘noble cause’ her son had to die for, not why her son died.

And that pussy Bush does not even have the balls to look her in the eye and sit down with her to answer her questions.

You know why??? Because he knows that he can not sell her the load of crap that he is peddling to the American people...he knows that she will see behind the curtain and expose the fraud that he is...that is why.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

And we now know from Cindy Sheehan that Casey re-enlisted because he felt he an obligation to help his comrades still in Iraq. A real hero.

Cindy wants to ask the President what ‘noble cause’ her son had to die for, not why her son died.

So, is going back to fight with his comrades not a noble cause?

And that pussy Bush does not even have the balls to look her in the eye and sit down with her to answer her questions.

You know why???

Yes, because every dumb who opposes anything he does will go to Crawford and camp out until they get their five minutes of time with him.

The guy is running the free world, if he took time out of his day to meet with every one of us he wouldn't have time to run the country, or the civilized West.

Further, it's complete bull that she is expecting to meet with him, Bush already met with her once.

Tell you what, let's send Cindy and a few others go over to Afghanistan to talk with OBL about peace and no war. My bet is they won't go, because they don't hate war, they just hate GWB.

[Hook Dem]

"Tell you what, let's send Cindy and a few others go over to Afghanistan to talk with OBL about peace and no war. My bet is they won't go, because they don't hate war, they just hate GWB."..............
Nah! Ya Think?

[smeagol]

The guy is running the free world.

Yeah, the only part of the World that's free is the US.

Or did you mean he runs the free World because he does pretty much what ever he wants, no matter what the rest of the "free World" really want to do?

[Jimcs50]

So, is going back to fight with his comrades not a noble cause?




The guy is running the free world, if he took time out of his day to meet with every one of us he wouldn't have time to run the country, or the civilized West.

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Oh yes, he must save the time so he can take a 2 hr bike stroll with Lance Armstrong. I am sure the two of them were discussing the world problems and came up with a lot of solutions. AHF, I thought you were smarter than this.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The biggest proof that Bush has this all wrong is the fact that he won't talk to her. Look at the growing number of people protesting him and the war. All he had to do was be human at the very beginning and this would have never come to this problem dissolved.

1. He already met with her once.

2. This isn't about her son, it's political grandstanding.

3. If he met with her, all the whacko nut jobs would be lining up one after another demanding the same.

Oh yes, he must save the time so he can take a 2 hr bike stroll with Lance Armstrong. I am sure the two of them were discussing the world problems and came up with a lot of solutions.

Jim, they were meeting to talk about cancer research funding. The bike ride was just a different way of doing business, versus sitting across the table from one another.

[JoeChalupa]

1. He already met with her once.

2. This isn't about her son, it's political grandstanding.

3. If he met with her, all the whacko nut jobs would be lining up one after another demanding the same.



Jim, they were meeting to talk about cancer research funding. The bike ride was just a different way of doing business, versus sitting across the table from one another.

I think the bike ride was a dangerous move for Bush.

[Trainwreck2100]

I think the bike ride was a dangerous move for Bush.

Let's see, bike with Lance Armstrong or talk to some lady camping outside of your house. Which would you choose?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

1. He didn't meet with her he meet with a group of people in one of his babble do-gooder load of crap speeches.

He met, hugged, and prayed with her and her family. That's a of a lot more than 95% of the families of troops killed in Iraq got. Sorry, I come from a military family, and have no sympathy for her only getting to meet with him for a short time.

Again, I don't get the hate for the bike ride. Lance was there to meet with President Bush about increasing federal funding for cancer research. Bush likes to bike ride, Lance obviously does, so they chose to do so while talking cancer research.

How is this any different from say Reagan and Gorbachev going for a horseback ride on Ronald's ranch?

Oh yeah, because it's Bush and because some psycho thinks she's en led to something because her son CHOSE to go to Iraq (and I'm not trying to say people shouldn't feel compassion for her).

She wanted to know why we're over there, and Bush has given three speeches since then talking about Iraq and addressing her questions.

And deep down, I think if any of you who are calling out Bush are honest with yourselves, you already know that him meeting her won't solve a damn thing.

I mean the woman is grandstanding about dead troops when their families have asked her not to include their sons in her campaign, she's going off on wild rants about Palestine-Israel, and already distorted the whole shot gun incident last week (she said that they were being shot at - if a Texan was really shooting at you, you wouldn't be around to talk about it).

Why would the distortions and political rants end if Bush actually met with her? They wouldn't, and she'd twist and distort everything from what Bush said to how he scratched his nose in her presence.

I don't blame Bush one bit for not meeting with her, especially when she's got Michael Moore pulling her strings. The with that.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

I think the bike ride was a dangerous move for Bush.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's not an excuse. I'm tired of people like you whining that he should meet with her.

The best I can tell her whole beef is she wants to know why we're in Iraq. Bush has stated that about a billion times.

If she hasn't gotten the message by now, no amount of time with W. is going to change that.

Again, be honest with yourself, and you know damn well the only reason she wants to meet with him is propagandize the whole thing for the left.

Look at her statements since she got to Crawford. THere's nothing stable or rational about her comments.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Look at his statements since he got in the White House

THere's nothing stable or rational about his comments.

Stop kissing HIS ASS!!!

[Dos]

ahh yes.. does the left really thinking we are fighting a army? We are fighting cowards that wear any uniform of military service, they hide among women and children, they could care less who they blow up in the process as long as allah is happy, thats the problem... I guess the left would have us round up all the iraqi's and screen them one by one for bombs or signs of insurgency... thing is it ain't going to happen... the same crowd that was clamoring for bush 41 to get the job done after the first gulf war is now the same crowd that is saying bring our troops home now... increasing troop strength now only adds more targets for the insurgency.. besides it's the generals on the ground making the decision about troop strength.. bring them home now and the whole region is destablizied.. like hillary, bill and kerry said we can't cut and run we have to finish the job...

[JoeChalupa]

Uh, just so you know. It is not only the "left" that are questioning the war in Iraq.

Even some republicans are saying it.

August 22, 2005
Sen. Hagel Says Iraq Looking Like Vietnam
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 9:56 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A leading Republican senator and prospective presidential candidate said Sunday that the war in Iraq has destabilized the Middle East and is looking more like the Vietnam conflict from a generation ago.

Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reiterated his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq. Hagel scoffed at the idea that U.S. troops could be in Iraq four years from now at levels above 100,000, a contingency for which the Pentagon is preparing.

''We should start figuring out how we get out of there,'' Hagel said on ''This Week'' on ABC. ''But with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East. I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East. And the longer we stay there, I think the further destabilization will occur.''

Hagel said ''stay the course'' is not a policy. ''By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning,'' he said.

[Clandestino]

hagel... there is a strategy to get out of iraq. everyone would love for the iraqis to be able to take care of themselves, but they can't. just like the kosovars, we are still there. you guys need to stop forgetting that. in fact 1400 texas natl guardsmen men just left for a rotation.

[JoeChalupa]

Just saying..it ain't only the left.


Oh...and Zell Miller!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm tired of people like you who think our President is so far above and beyond dealing with the general public.

We live in a representative democracy, hence we are not en led to first-person access.

Bush needs to make himself more human and allow the public to see that as a human he does the best he can to lead us in these times. He hasn't done this.

You mean like telling the Secret Service to piss off when they didn't want him going to NYC after 9/11, when he stood in the rubble with the firefighters who had lost their friends, family, and buddies?

You mean like flying into Baghdad International Airport and having a Christmas day meal with the troops, knowing there was a fairly decent chance of AF1 being hit by a Stinger?

Yeah, brilliant insight, the guy should get out more.

Bush is by no means perfect, as a student of history and Islam I think he's either made some mistakes or gotten bad advice here and there, but just pulling out of Iraq isn't going to solve jack .

Clandestino brings up a good point, we're still in Kosovo (Clinton's "war") how many years later, no one's ing about that.

And no, it's not changing the topic. It's called context, try using some.

[Spurminator]

I sit somewhere between the two of you.

I do think Bush is very poor at communicating objectives and explaining the reasoning behind most of his actions. He prefers simple (vague) explanations about almost everything. This "Simple Man" approach appeals to a lot of people, but it turns off a great many as well. I would prefer someone who spoke in simple terms, but was better able to define his goals and answer tough questions. As much as his policies are debated, you very rarely see any of Bush's supporters quoting the man himself while arguing for one of his initiatives.

That said, I wouldn't go as far as to say he "should" meet with his detractors. If he did, that would be great... bonus points in my book... but that's all it is, just bonus. It goes above and beyond what he should be expected to do, though it's not out of the question to want it.

[jochhejaam]

I stand corrected and good point. The question really is. Is it worth it to ignore this women or is more gained by sympathizing with here and dealing one on one? I feel more is gained than lost by letting go of 1 hour if his vacation.

How many moderate dems do you see out there voicing support for Cindy?
Even they're staying away from the anti-war/hate-Bush theme coming out of the Cindy camp.


Any meeting with Cindy is a meeting with the lunatic left and Bush has zero to gain by meeting with them. It's the "Michael Moore Show" Ryan and Bush ain't goin'!

[j-6]

It's not an excuse. I'm tired of people like you whining that he should meet with her.

I guess the one thing I don't understand about this is why he's ducking her. She's right there! Just go send some blue suit out the front gate to grab her and have a conversation. Or pick her up in the limo on your way home from Salt Lake. , I don't know.

I see the point that he already dealt with her once. But when there's a screaming baby in the room, you either give it attention until it hushes or sit through the screaming until it finally goes to sleep.

Regardless of the reasons of why he isn't doing meeting with her, Cindy is making the president look like either a coward or an an asshole. And that 36% approval rating could use all the help it can get (link)

I'm no Bush supporter, but it's sad that our president now has the 3rd lowest public approval rating in the last sixty years, ahead of Nixon's 24% and Carter's 34%. The GOP backers here can say that they don't give a what his rating is, and the Demo's can harp about that more people than ever can see some sort of truth. I just think it's sad (I can't find another word that fits) that basically 2 out of 3 people doesn't approve of the job he's doing, for whatever reasons.

[jochhejaam]

I just think it's sad (I can't find another word that fits) that basically 2 out of 3 people doesn't approve of the job he's doing, for whatever reasons.

Did you intentionally misrepresent his approval rating or are you just not good with percentages? You would have been closer if you had rounded it out to 1 out of 2 also known as Half.

Monday, August 8, 2005; CNN Posted: 7:25 p.m. EDT (23:25 GMT)
President Bush's slumping approval ratings seemed directly tied to the war in Iraq.
President Bush's approval rating remains among the lowest of his presidency, with some Americans growing increasingly dissatisfied with the Iraq war, according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

Forty-five percent of those polled said they approve of Bush's handling of his job, compared with 51 percent who said they are dissatisfied.