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    So I finally put this build together... just ordered everything from Amazon with Prime. It'll be here Thursday/Friday...

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    CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85N PHOENIX-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.94 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.95 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Amazon)
    Case: Corsair 250D Mini ITX Tower Case ($84.99 @ Amazon)
    Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.77 @ Amazon)
    Total: $867.89
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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    $57 of that was taxes...

    I might swap the GTX 960 with the GTX 970 I have at work. We'll see. I'm only going to be doing 1920x1200 gaming, so the 960 might just work fine. I'm also not sure the G1 Gaming will fit this mini ITX enclosure, that's why I've got the shorter 960. I thought for a while if I wanted to cheap out a bit more and go for micro atx, but the difference is negligible, tbh, and I rather have a smaller box.

    I got the wifi-bluetooth mobo since I'm thinking of maybe using a Dual-Shock 4 with this, but I also have a wired xbox 360 controller lying around. What do you guys use for gamepad?
    It looks like the maximum GPU clearance is about 11.4 inches on the 250D while the G1 Gaming 970 is 12.2 inches, so yeah, the G1 Gaming won't fit. I love the 250D, I think it's the best mini ITX case out there. I know you're not an overclocker, but for those who do you can mount a 240mm radiator on the side opposite the GPU for your CPU and if you pick a blower style GPU the 250D offers the best GPU cooling of any mini ITX case I know of. Of course that's not going to really matter with a GTX 960 run at stock since that's like a 120W card, but you could actually throw a blower style 250W reference GTX 980 Ti in there and have it run reasonably cool.

    And damn I can't believe how cheap RAM has gotten. I think I paid about $100 for worse quality DDR3 than that when I built my system last year.
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    $57 of that was taxes...
    Does Newegg charge tax in your area? I almost always go Newegg when I can because of no tax here

    For controllers.. I prefer the Xbox controllers because of joystick placement.. That new elite Xbox controllers looks pretty sick tbh

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    Does Newegg charge tax in your area? I almost always go Newegg when I can because of no tax here
    Yeah, they have a warehouse in New Jersey.

    Speaking of newegg, I don't get their shipping at all. If I choose free shipping on something small like a CPU, case fan, mouse, RAM it takes about 7-10 days. If I choose free shipping on a 30 lb case it's there in three.

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    Yeah, they have a warehouse in New Jersey.

    Speaking of newegg, I don't get their shipping at all. If I choose free shipping on something small like a CPU, case fan, mouse, RAM it takes about 7-10 days. If I choose free shipping on a 30 lb case it's there in three.
    That's strange.. they're shipping from the same place?

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    That's strange.. they're shipping from the same place?
    My case got sent from Memphis, Tennessee. But still, my 970 came in three days from California. Anything in a bigger box takes three days. Anything small they send UPS SurePost or FedEx SmartPost and it takes 7-10. I don't get why they cheap out on the shipping for small things that won't cost them much to ship but big boxes come fast with what you would think would be much more expensive shipping. And it's not about the dollar value, I got a $250 processor from them and it took 10 days.

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    So I guess moral of the story is don't order things that can fit into a small box from newegg. E.g., case fans, CPU, RAM sticks, mouse, etc, unless you order them with a larger item to get bundled with like a motherboard or GPU. I would have gladly paid tax from amazon to get my CPU in 3 days instead of 10.

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    It looks like the maximum GPU clearance is about 11.4 inches on the 250D while the G1 Gaming 970 is 12.2 inches, so yeah, the G1 Gaming won't fit. I love the 250D, I think it's the best mini ITX case out there. I know you're not an overclocker, but for those who do you can mount a 240mm radiator on the side opposite the GPU for your CPU and if you pick a blower style GPU the 250D offers the best GPU cooling of any mini ITX case I know of. Of course that's not going to really matter with a GTX 960 run at stock since that's like a 120W card, but you could actually throw a blower style 250W reference GTX 980 Ti in there and have it run reasonably cool.

    And damn I can't believe how cheap RAM has gotten. I think I paid about $100 for worse quality DDR3 than that when I built my system last year.
    I've seen the radiator setups with the 250D, pretty nifty. I think this is a good, balanced build around the stuff I prefer (small-ish box, low power, SSD). This is basically going to replace my Xbox 360 and eventually the MacMini I have at home.

    What gamepad do you use with your PC? I've done some research and apparently the Xbox 360 gamepad is the go to gamepad on Windows. I know you can use the DS4 with some hacks.

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    Does Newegg charge tax in your area? I almost always go Newegg when I can because of no tax here

    For controllers.. I prefer the Xbox controllers because of joystick placement.. That new elite Xbox controllers looks pretty sick tbh
    Yeah, NewEgg has a local warehouse so they charge me.

    Are you talking about Xbox One or 360 controllers?

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    So I guess moral of the story is don't order things that can fit into a small box from newegg. E.g., case fans, CPU, RAM sticks, mouse, etc, unless you order them with a larger item to get bundled with like a motherboard or GPU. I would have gladly paid tax from amazon to get my CPU in 3 days instead of 10.
    Yeah, I love Prime. I could've probably saved $50 on that build by buying parts somewhere else, but 2 day shipping is great, tbh...

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    I've seen the radiator setups with the 250D, pretty nifty. I think this is a good, balanced build around the stuff I prefer (small-ish box, low power, SSD). This is basically going to replace my Xbox 360 and eventually the MacMini I have at home.

    What gamepad do you use with your PC? I've done some research and apparently the Xbox 360 gamepad is the go to gamepad on Windows. I know you can use the DS4 with some hacks.
    Since I used an XBox 360 before building this system, I just recycled my 9 year old controller. Don't bother with the wireless dongle, it's ing useless and I always play with the charge kit wire plugged into a USB-2.0 port. I should probably go buy another controller before these go off the market.

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    Since I used an XBox 360 before building this system, I just recycled my 9 year old controller. Don't bother with the wireless dongle, it's ing useless and I always play with the charge kit wire plugged into a USB-2.0 port. I should probably go buy another controller before these go off the market.
    Yeah, I still have a wired xbox 360 controller lying around. I'm gonna give that one a try.

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    Man, when did buying a mouse become such a minefield? Back in 2008 I bought the cheapest Logitech wireless mouse + keyboard combo for like $30, and it worked great until a couple of months ago when the middle mouse button stopped working. Now when you go shopping it seems like 80% of mice are those annoying uncomfortable tiny laptop mice, but I found a bigger mouse that felt really good for $20, the Logitech M510. I got it home and fired up a game and every time I moved left or right it registered as diagonal. I picked the piece of up and the laser sensor was way on the left side of the mouse. Returned that but still didn't want to spend a ton of money, so I tried the $30 Logitech M705. Same ing , sensor is on the side of the mouse again and the won't register left/right correctly. Returned that er too and had to buy the $55 Logitech G602 since it actually has the sensor in the center of the mouse. Damn that pisses me off that I can't game with a $20 mouse anymore. The G602 feels great, but it feels ing re ed to spend $55 on a mouse. Microsoft does the same bull with the off center sensors in their mice too. And I'm not paying $100 for Razer or Sensei, that .

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    It looks like the maximum GPU clearance is about 11.4 inches on the 250D while the G1 Gaming 970 is 12.2 inches, so yeah, the G1 Gaming won't fit. I love the 250D, I think it's the best mini ITX case out there. I know you're not an overclocker, but for those who do you can mount a 240mm radiator on the side opposite the GPU for your CPU and if you pick a blower style GPU the 250D offers the best GPU cooling of any mini ITX case I know of. Of course that's not going to really matter with a GTX 960 run at stock since that's like a 120W card, but you could actually throw a blower style 250W reference GTX 980 Ti in there and have it run reasonably cool.

    And damn I can't believe how cheap RAM has gotten. I think I paid about $100 for worse quality DDR3 than that when I built my system last year.
    RAM used to be dirt cheap. When I built my system in 2011, I paid $30 for two 4 GB sticks. Then something (I think the Japan tsunami?) wiped out several of the factories and the prices quintupled for a while.

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    Man, when did buying a mouse become such a minefield? Back in 2008 I bought the cheapest Logitech wireless mouse + keyboard combo for like $30, and it worked great until a couple of months ago when the middle mouse button stopped working. Now when you go shopping it seems like 80% of mice are those annoying uncomfortable tiny laptop mice, but I found a bigger mouse that felt really good for $20, the Logitech M510. I got it home and fired up a game and every time I moved left or right it registered as diagonal. I picked the piece of up and the laser sensor was way on the left side of the mouse. Returned that but still didn't want to spend a ton of money, so I tried the $30 Logitech M705. Same ing , sensor is on the side of the mouse again and the won't register left/right correctly. Returned that er too and had to buy the $55 Logitech G602 since it actually has the sensor in the center of the mouse. Damn that pisses me off that I can't game with a $20 mouse anymore. The G602 feels great, but it feels ing re ed to spend $55 on a mouse. Microsoft does the same bull with the off center sensors in their mice too. And I'm not paying $100 for Razer or Sensei, that .
    I got a Corsair M65 Vengeance for $26 on slickdeals. Great claw grip mouse. I think I still prefer my deathadder, though. But yeah, reliability in mice seems to have completely tanked. Probably because they're putting a lot of features on them these days so build quality gets sacrificed.

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    I got a Corsair M65 Vengeance for $26 on slickdeals. Great claw grip mouse. I think I still prefer my deathadder, though. But yeah, reliability in mice seems to have completely tanked. Probably because they're putting a lot of features on them these days so build quality gets sacrificed.
    Claw grip is too weird to me, I'm used to palm grip.

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    Man, when did buying a mouse become such a minefield? Back in 2008 I bought the cheapest Logitech wireless mouse + keyboard combo for like $30, and it worked great until a couple of months ago when the middle mouse button stopped working. Now when you go shopping it seems like 80% of mice are those annoying uncomfortable tiny laptop mice, but I found a bigger mouse that felt really good for $20, the Logitech M510. I got it home and fired up a game and every time I moved left or right it registered as diagonal. I picked the piece of up and the laser sensor was way on the left side of the mouse. Returned that but still didn't want to spend a ton of money, so I tried the $30 Logitech M705. Same ing , sensor is on the side of the mouse again and the won't register left/right correctly. Returned that er too and had to buy the $55 Logitech G602 since it actually has the sensor in the center of the mouse. Damn that pisses me off that I can't game with a $20 mouse anymore. The G602 feels great, but it feels ing re ed to spend $55 on a mouse. Microsoft does the same bull with the off center sensors in their mice too. And I'm not paying $100 for Razer or Sensei, that .
    I'm still using the MS Intellimouse from a decade ago at work. I'm dreading it might die someday.

    I got me a Logitech M315 for the Sammy tablet and while it's nice for a laptop mice, it has all the problems you describe.

    For home, I ended up buying a wired GE Mouse from Target (like $8). It doesn't have the side back/forward buttons, but otherwise, it's not bad at all, and it has a center laser sensor.

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    I'm still using the MS Intellimouse from a decade ago at work. I'm dreading it might die someday.

    I got me a Logitech M315 for the Sammy tablet and while it's nice for a laptop mice, it has all the problems you describe.

    For home, I ended up buying a wired GE Mouse from Target (like $8). It doesn't have the side back/forward buttons, but otherwise, it's not bad at all, and it has a center laser sensor.
    It seems like Logitech and Microsoft purposefully offset the sensor on their normal mice to make you buy their expensive gaming mice. Blows me away that a decent mouse needs to cost as much as a hard drive or a full set of RAM. I checked Target too, but I have to have wireless and all they had was Logitech and Microsoft.

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    Yeah, NewEgg has a local warehouse so they charge me.

    Are you talking about Xbox One or 360 controllers?
    360, but interested in that new elite one. Looks like a sick controller.

    Honestly, I think my favorite controller would have to be the Razer Onza, but that piece of won't last for more than a month. I had to take two of them back to the store for different issues, but the controller was great for the month it worked

    Maybe the Steam controller comes in and wins me over despite the fact it looks like a steaming piece of .

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    It seems like Logitech and Microsoft purposefully offset the sensor on their normal mice to make you buy their expensive gaming mice. Blows me away that a decent mouse needs to cost as much as a hard drive or a full set of RAM. I checked Target too, but I have to have wireless and all they had was Logitech and Microsoft.
    GE has a wireless mice there too, but it's for ing midget hands... smh

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    360, but interested in that new elite one. Looks like a sick controller.

    Honestly, I think my favorite controller would have to be the Razer Onza, but that piece of won't last for more than a month. I had to take two of them back to the store for different issues, but the controller was great for the month it worked

    Maybe the Steam controller comes in and wins me over despite the fact it looks like a steaming piece of .
    I really like the xbox 360 controller.... I played with the DS4, it's really slick too... the touchpad area is pretty dope, but I suspect it's not really supported under windows.

    The stock Xbox One controller feels cheap as , tbh...

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    I really like the xbox 360 controller.... I played with the DS4, it's really slick too... the touchpad area is pretty dope, but I suspect it's not really supported under windows.

    The stock Xbox One controller feels cheap as , tbh...
    Yeah, can't go wrong with a wireless Xbox controller for Windows. Its what I use. Plus, all those other Xbox controllers you have laying around will connect to the receiver also.

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    Yeah, can't go wrong with a wireless Xbox controller for Windows. Its what I use. Plus, all those other Xbox controllers you have laying around will connect to the receiver also.
    Do you have a legit MS receiver or one of those chinese knockoff?

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    Do you have a legit MS receiver or one of those chinese knockoff?
    Can you get a Chinese knockoff that isn't a big ing 2006-esque dongle?


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    Can you get a Chinese knockoff that isn't a big ing 2006-esque dongle?

    Can't really tell from the pictures, tbh... they all seem the same.

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    Do you have a legit MS receiver or one of those chinese knockoff?
    that Chinese .. I got a real one (which is probably still Chinese )

    Heard good and bad about the knock offs

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