Bowen vs. Danny Green?

[Spurtacular]

How the is Bruce not on the spurs coaching stuff? And some girl like Becky is??? With Bruce as assistance coach the team would have won at least 3 out of the 4 latest les, Bruce would have hinder Pop's softness and naiveness...

It's possible that Bruce has not wanted to coach. He's probably making about the same money for much less work as a part-time analyst.

[Obstructed_View]

God, you got juvenile at this point. Do you really think Bowen didn't hand-check when it was legal? This is a guy who literally kicked someone in the face, who gets tons of credit from fans for knowing how to play just-legal defense. And you think he wasn't hand-checking? And you can't even see in the vid I posted that he was hand-checking? It's pathetic denial by you. As far as the vid goes, I actually searched "Bowen defense", but there aren't any vids of him having extended work on anyone but maybe Kobe. I was looking for good highlights of his so that I could show his handchecking. But defenders usually only get vids when they look bad, like O-linemen in football.

Bowen didn't hand check above the three point line because it was outlawed his entire career, so he knew where and when he could and could not do it. The defensive philosophy of the team he had his success with stressed not fouling with your hands, instead keeping position and funneling a guy in a certain direction. He was so good at moving his feet he didn't have to make a big adjustment when the rules changed, which is why his fouls didn't suddenly go up. I'm sure he did it below the foul line before 2004. Whether you believe Bowen was dirty or not, there's not any arguing that he gave himself every advantage within the rules, up to and including hand checking where and when it was legal. You have been attempting to make the case that he couldn't defend today because you mistakenly think he played in an era that allowed hand checking, which is not true. I'm showing you evidence that he had success in the era after the rules changed, and had success against some of the most dominant scorers in the game.

Not sure what you think you see in that video, but by the definition you gave of hand checking, it's not there. Bowen pushing McGrady on the hip after he's by is not a hand check. The fact that they showed three different replays of it doesn't mean Bowen did it four times in the game.

[TD 21]

Most of the older posters will naturally prefer Bowen for a couple of reasons:

1- nostalgia
2- revisionist history
3- old fans love unquantifiable, silly traits like "killer instinct" that have virtually no effect on a game

That's fine, I don't really care, but it's evident..I guess you could argue that the metrics crowd will prefer Green since virtually all his advanced numbers dominate Bowen's..

Exactly. The difference is, metrics aren't inherently biased (though like most things, each individual one requires context); people are.

I don't see a credible argument for Green not being a clear cut better version of Bowen. But that's not a knock on Bowen and it doesn't diminish his accomplishments.

[barbacoataco]

I voted bowen but green'a supporters made some good arguments. I think in 2-3 years we'll have a better picture. I'm hoping Danny continues to improve and moves past Bowen.

[kobyz]

Such a ing joke this place, putting this pathetic player name around Bowen name!!!