Start Bertans right now

[DAF86]

This dude is so underutilized it's comical.

Pop should have an entire Playbook designed to get Bertans open looks. The rest of the team would only benefit from it.

[TD 21]

I realize he didn't start, but his playing at the very least a constant role, is the rare thing we agreed on.

Next game is a good litmus test as to whether Pop has seen the light, on starting either White or Bertans and playing Cunningham spot or no minutes.

Gibson bullied Gay on the block last meeting. Does he overreact, get cute and start Cunningham (while ignoring that he's fully capable of doing the same to him)?

It's clear as day that Gay needs to be the primary big wing or in this case post defender because when they utilize the rotation they mostly have recently, this can be an unconventionally explosive offense; the likes of which they haven't had since '14.

[RC_Drunkford]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

[TD 21]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

That's not what pad300 said. He/she backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer, so relative speaking, he's irrefutably not long at all.

[RC_Drunkford]

That's not what he/she said. They said and backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer. Which means, relatively speaking, he's not long at all.

obviously the position you play factors into that

[Chinook]

That's not what pad300 said. He/she backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer, so relative speaking, he's irrefutably not long at all.

It's like getting mad at someone saying DeJuan Blair isn't tall. In a real-world sense, he's obviously very tall. Even in terms of the average basketball player, he's probably within the average real height. But for what he had to do on the court, he was very short.

[DAF86]

It has been said before, but Bertans is more of a SF than a PF. He has more tools to defend on the perimeter than on the low block. He's more mobile than strong.

Anyway, on today's positionless NBA, this matter it's less of a problem. He's a player that can be there and guard mutliple positions because of his combination of size, mobility and help defense. Heck, he could even guard SGs (he would do a much better job than Bryn Forbes or Marco Belinelli, for example).

But, no matter what position, this guy needs to play, and he needs to play a lot.

[SpursDynasty85]

That's not what pad300 said. He/she backed it up with proof, that the average NBA player is 4 inches longer in wingspan than height. Bertans is 1 inch longer, so relative speaking, he's irrefutably not long at all.

average nba player has a wingspan 2'' above height.

[SpursDynasty85]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

Rudy Gay 6' 9-10'' with a 7' 3" wingspan. Great rebounder.

[r0drig0lac]

the thing is he's long (although 1 ST poster thinks 6'10'' ain't long), moves well off the ball, has a fast release and unlimited range, so he's extremely hard to guard. Resigning him for 7 million seems like a bargain now.

my analysis of the way he played in Europe was that he was a taller and athletic Kyle Korver (which obviously helps on the defensive side), he's starting to look like that, he's about to start putting fear in opponents with its gravity (as long as Pop increases its offensive volume)

[Chinook]

average nba player has a wingspan 2'' above height.

Dunno if it makes a difference in this case, but TD21 is likely talking about shoeless height, whereas most of the measurements reported casually use shoed height. If whatever you looked at used the latter measurement standard, then you can add on another inch-and-a-half, getting pretty close to what Teeds said.

[duncan2k5]

If Davis played on a different team, we would be looking at him the way we currently look at guys like Siakam... If Siakam was drafted by the Spurs, we would look at him the way we currently look at Davis... Even Jacob looked better last year... Other teams consistently play their young guys so they grow... Siakam would have been jumping between the G league and DNPCDs

[BillMc]

He is one of the most upright and weak individuals on the court. He needs to hit the weight room and also have weights tied to his ass to get him to drop his butt and bend his knees to get a good stance for movement and for fighting for position. He needs to get playing time and attack the basket as he does occasionally, not just be a spot up shooter.

They may not want him to gain weight (muscle weight or otherwise) to spare those knees.

[Mugen]

I really like Davis starting instead of DWhite. Ideally, both start and Bryn is relegated to 10-15 mins a night but that won't happen.

I just like Davis spacing the floor early and Derrick playing as much of his minutes without Demar on the court...but I can see the argument for starting Derrick and just not getting reamed by perimeter guys right at tipoff. At the end of the day as long as both guys are getting a minimum of 20-25 mins a night, I won't complain too much tbh....

[DAF86]

I really like Davis starting instead of DWhite. Ideally, both start and Bryn is relegated to 10-15 mins a night but that won't happen.

I just like Davis spacing the floor early and Derrick playing as much of his minutes without Demar on the court...but I can see the argument for starting Derrick and just not getting reamed by perimeter guys right at tipoff. At the end of the day as long as both guys are getting a minimum of 20-25 mins a night, I won't complain too much tbh....

I would prefer 28-33, tbh.

[spurraider21]

good to see him getting consistent usage. made no sense to re-sign him and then have him planted on the bench

[timvp]

Bertans, Murray and Bonner all have 6-10 wingspans, but I would comfortably say that DJM has more length, with Bertans second and Bonner third.

What might be worth factoring in is Bertans seems longer than he is on paper likely due to the fact that his shoulders are narrow ... so his 6-foot-10 wingspan is because he has long arms. Bonner, by contrast, had a 6-foot-10 wingspan due to having broad shoulders. If Bertans had normal shoulders, his wingspan would be like 7-foot-2 or something.

[Chinook]

What might be worth factoring in is Bertans seems longer than he is on paper likely due to the fact that his shoulders are narrow ... so his 6-foot-10 wingspan is because he has long arms. Bonner, by contrast, had a 6-foot-10 wingspan due to having broad shoulders. If Bertans had normal shoulders, his wingspan would be like 7-foot-2 or something.

That's also true. Bio-mechanics tend to get underutilized when analyzing basketball. We boil things down to a couple of numbers and then fight like dogs over them like they're the jewels of the Earth. Nothing like wingspan, height or agility measurements exist in a vacuum. It's about how everything comes together.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Davis is plenty long enough for his position. If he were 6'4 then his arm length would be an issue but he is like 6'10 so it doesn't come into play. Honestly his lack of rebounding I think was the main reason he wasn't playing. I heard somebody mention that he would be better off on other teams (like a Siakam) but that doesn't take into account how bad a rebounder he really is. I don't know Siakims stats offhand but I wager he is a better rebounder by far. Davis is only playable now bc he is rebounding the ball. His defense was always pretty good and his shot is very pretty, but he was incomplete in his game and it's a BIG weakness to have.

[superbigtime]

Bertans and Rudy ... glad they are still Spurs. Wish Danny was. Damn imagine if we had him.

[spurraider21]

That's also true. Bio-mechanics tend to get underutilized when analyzing basketball. We boil things down to a couple of numbers and then fight like dogs over them like they're the jewels of the Earth. Nothing like wingspan, height or agility measurements exist in a vacuum. It's about how everything comes together.

Bend over, I'll show you some underutilized bio-mechanics.

[DAF86]

Bend over, I'll show you some underutilized bio-mechanics.

Sad to hear that bro.

[Keepin' it real]

Bertans and Rudy ... glad they are still Spurs. Wish Danny was. Damn imagine if we had him.

That's easy to imagine. Half of spurstalk would be like "Green sucks, trade him." And the other half would be like "B-b-but transition defense."

[ace3g]

What might be worth factoring in is Bertans seems longer than he is on paper likely due to the fact that his shoulders are narrow ... so his 6-foot-10 wingspan is because he has long arms. Bonner, by contrast, had a 6-foot-10 wingspan due to having broad shoulders. If Bertans had normal shoulders, his wingspan would be like 7-foot-2 or something.

I hope one day they will standardize wingspan to just arm length (shoulder to fingertips) and eliminate broad/narrow shoulders aspect. This really bothers me in the fight game during the "tale of the tape" segment when they say 2 fighters have identical wingspans when actually they don't. One clearly has longer arms and last time I checked you punch with your your arm perpendicular to your shoulder/chest not out to the side. From a basketball point of view I get that can influence lateral defense but overall the longer arms will have more impact on lateral and vertical aspects of defense.

[BackHome]

I look at Murray and I wonder how he is such a great rebounder with those chicken legs. He has great length but he also has great positioning and anticipation which Bertans does not have yet. But I give the kid credit he is really trying even though he is getting smashed a lot. Lol