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    It's incredible to see how much of a non factor Hayward is. You forget he is even on the court or that he was good at one time.

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    It's incredible to see how much of a non factor Hayward is. You forget he is even on the court or that he was good at one time.
    A huge part is the injury, obviously. But Stevens is running an iso-heavy offense. Hayward is a great complementary player and it's hard to complement when you're just standing there.

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    ISO ball will not work will with the talent they have in playoffs

    Gs is going towards it more and struggling more this year

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    It's incredible to see how much of a non factor Hayward is. You forget he is even on the court or that he was good at one time.
    His shooting kept us in the game. I doubt he has much of a relationship with many on the team. They will get rid of him asap and I bet Irving has brought that up before.

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    A huge part is the injury, obviously. But Stevens is running an iso-heavy offense. Hayward is a great complementary player and it's hard to complement when you're just standing there.
    Yes the injury was very serious. He doesn't look like he's hurting. I think it's a chemistry thing.

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    Isn't Porter like on a $100 million contract? that. He's not even that good.
    Personally, I prefer Covington or Green.

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    Paul George returned far better than Hayward. Hayward looks slow out there. Maybe his rehab didn't go as well. Even Gay looked better.

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    I know it’s old news and I’m actually happy we got Derozan, Jakob, and a pick but it’s crazy that a team like the Celtics wouldn’t offer some of there young players for kawhi

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    DeRozan was John Stockton out there in the 2nd half. In the first half the defense swarmed him and he couldn't get a good shot. Pop probably told him collapse the D and kick out. Game changer

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    Personally, I prefer Covington or Green.
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    Yes the injury was very serious. He doesn't look like he's hurting. I think it's a chemistry thing.
    It takes a while to trust your body again and stop thinking about getting hurt again. He's probably still in that stage.

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    It takes a while to trust your body again and stop thinking about getting hurt again. He's probably still in that stage.
    Always takes as much time (a season) you were away to (maybe) get back close to your former self.

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    Wonder if we could trade for Heat's Josh Richardson. Great on defense SF, just what we need. They need a pg, Patty and maybe tanking for the rebuild .
    no they didn’t even really wannna trade Richardson for butler

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    no they didn’t even really wannna trade Richardson for butler
    We already have White who can do what Richardson does for a whole lot cheaper. Also Richardson ain't a SF anyway.

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    This could be a very interesting year.

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    DeMar DeRozan now has two outings with 10+ assists in 38 games this season.

    He had three outings with 10+ assists in 675 games before getting to San Antonio

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    great win ... White was awesome before he tweaked his ankle ... hope Gasol stays out though

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    best win of the year

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    He does have a bad contract, and you're right, he isn't that good. He's also hurt.

    But his contract isn't long. 27.2 in 19-20 and 28.5 in 20-21 and that's it. He perfectly aligns with the LMA-DeRozan contracts.

    He might be one of the few gettable small forwards. He's not a defensive stopper, but on a team with Murray and White taking on scoring guards he wouldn't have to be Kawhi on defense. He's a very good spot up three point shooter.

    It's hard to envision the Spurs being contenders with LMA-DDR as long as they don't have a legit SF sized player. Maybe they get one in the draft, but it could be awhile until that player is ready as most good SF prospects in the draft are 1-and-done or sop res and not mature, ready to contribute players like White, Hill, Splitter.
    Agreed that Porter is one of the few viable SF out there, but that contract is untenable for the Spurs:

    1.) Any trade would almost certainly have to shed salary instead of add it, as Spurs are only $1.1 million above the luxury tax. They could decide to pay the tax, but that impacts willingness to do so in future years because of repeater penalty.

    2.) Hard cap exists because they signed Beli to the MLE. Probably doesn’t come into play here, but the maximum the payroll can increase is $7.1 million.

    3.) Only trade that really works is Gasol + Mills, as salaries match and anything more would decimate the depth. Porter’s salary means I wouldn’t include any picks. But Washington wouldn’t do that deal unless it can get a third team involved to try cutting its luxury tax for this year, as they’re not competing. Finding a team to dump $6 million onto is easier said than done.

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    DeRozan 3 boards away from a triple double. Doubt he gets it, but he's done a nice job finding shooters, and our shooters are knocking them down this half. Just please save some for nephew.
    We don’t stat pad. We leave that to the losers in OKC

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    Agreed that Porter is one of the few viable SF out there, but that contract is untenable for the Spurs:

    1.) Any trade would almost certainly have to shed salary instead of add it, as Spurs are only $1.1 million above the luxury tax. They could decide to pay the tax, but that impacts willingness to do so in future years because of repeater penalty.

    2.) Hard cap exists because they signed Beli to the MLE. Probably doesn’t come into play here, but the maximum the payroll can increase is $7.1 million.

    3.) Only trade that really works is Gasol + Mills, as salaries match and anything more would decimate the depth. Porter’s salary means I wouldn’t include any picks. But Washington wouldn’t do that deal unless it can get a third team involved to try cutting its luxury tax for this year, as they’re not competing. Finding a team to dump $6 million onto is easier said than done.
    It's true that really only Gasol+Mills+picks/rights works, though it'd actually save the Spurs money. I suppose Washington could add Jeff Green and close the gap, but it still saves the Spurs money. It's not likely at all considering Washington paid cash to get off of Jason Smith and the Spurs have no more cash to give this season.

    But I think I might not mind adding the Toronto first and the rights to Milutinov. I love Milutinov, but his future with the Spurs looks shaky considering Poeltl and LMA are around the next two years or so. Wizards are a year away at most from being without a center past Thomas Bryant. And with Mills they have a player to fill in for Wall who has this great reputation in the locker room, something they might want. And he won't hurt the tank.

    I suppose what intrigues me most about this fantasy deal is that the Spurs would be trading two non-starters with big weaknesses for a legit starter, with legit size for his position, who is not a minus defender, and with no glaring weaknesses. Going from two bench guys to that would make a tremendous difference I think.

    And it wouldn't put them in too much tax trouble, though they'd be skating close. While they would lose the ability to stretch waive Pau's last season, there wouldn't be much cause to use the MLE either. They'd have starters and backups at every position, and they could still pay Gay in line with what he's making now. They'd have a draft pick and minimums to sign, no Milutinov to sign at all

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    If you got Gay on a 2-22 deal, which is still a small bump and respectable, they still slide under the tax with 15 spots filled by maybe $2 million.

    It's all just pointless fun and games fantasy, but Porter as a competent defender with a crunch time lineup of Murray and White? And as a good shooter just entering his prime?

    It's probably a lot better than stretch-waiving Pau to free up money for the MLE and pray it's enough to get Stanley Johnson. And in that sort of scenario, they still don't have the money to sign Milutinov anyway.

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    Damn forgot about Militinov tbh. Agreed it's a pipe dream because Pop would never trade away Patty but that team has a Finals ceiling next season if everything falls in line, crazy to think about considering the state of the squad just a month ago.

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    Damn forgot about Militinov tbh. Agreed it's a pipe dream because Pop would never trade away Patty but that team has a Finals ceiling next season if everything falls in line, crazy to think about considering the state of the squad just a month ago.
    The Multinov draft seems like a bust, Hernangomez and Osman were certainly better. Poetl is more athletic and just better.

    I would trade the rights the Multinov and go as far as trading Murray (and pray that Walker can improve his shooting percentage).

    Unfortunate for Murray is he got injured, so his trade value has likely declined until he can show he can deliver (next year).

    So Spurs have Metu also in development and likely incoming 2 first round picks for next year and a 2nd round pick.

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    Good win especially with the awful refs. WTF up with these refs. What happened to the home cooking stuff? You should have to earn the road wins, not have the refs give you ton more calls.

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    The Multinov draft seems like a bust, Hernangomez and Osman were certainly better. Poetl is more athletic and just better.

    I would trade the rights the Multinov and go as far as trading Murray (and pray that Walker can improve his shooting percentage).

    Unfortunate for Murray is he got injured, so his trade value has likely declined until he can show he can deliver (next year).

    So Spurs have Metu also in development and likely incoming 2 first round picks for next year and a 2nd round pick.
    Milutinov is arguably the best center in Europe, at least in the conversation. There's a reason why he's been player of the week twice in the Euroleague this year.

    I wouldn't even say Poeltl is clearly better. If anything Milutinov is a more dangerous pnr threat, though maybe, just maybe, a worse rim protector.

    But with or without a trade for a SF, he's not being signed this summer. They won't have the money or exception room or even roster space depending on whatever route they take,

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