part of me believes that CIA pop and the Spurs have us salivating over corey maggette when in actuality they're trying to land mo pete. i really hope i'm wrong...
that hoopsworld article is ridiculous
You're right - the players offered are ridiculous, one way or the other. The takeaway is more that the Clippers seem to be trying to pry loose a first round draft pick somewhere. If they want a 2007 pick, they should go take a swim.
But it means they'll drag this out for a while until they see no one's biting.
i agree, maggette does not warrant a 2007 first round pick...no gm in their right mind would do that. second round pick...maybe.
I love the idea of signing Wallace, who would be most of what Spurs need as their future SF. (long, athletic, still young, good defender). but I fear we won't get him for the MLE. not because he will get max offers, but he will get some more than MLE.
the chance to get Chapu is unfortunatly 0%, Bulls would match any MLE offer and Spurs can't offer more.
the only overseas option is Scola and it still would be a great chance, especially considering that Horry likely will retire. I hope last years price is still on the table (something like 3 years/10 millions) and that this time Spurs FO don't try to lowball him.
Mahinmi is still years away and from what I have seen in his few Euroleague minutes, I'm not that sure that he will ever be a NBA player.
Sanikidze doesn't even get small minutes with a bad team in Spain and Javtokas is a shadow of the last year.
I always hoped that Rudy Fernandez will be there when Spurs pick, which seemed possible some weeks ago, but unfortunatly he is playing that great in his first Euroleague season, that meanwhile he is expected to be picked around no.15. if he continous to play like this (16.3 PPG in just 23 minutes, shooting a ridiculous 66% FG) he will move up to top 10.
maybe Marco belinelli will drop to the end of the 1st round. if he does, he would be a no brainer to pick IMO.
the Cavs can't offer their 2007 pick, it goes to the Suns.
if true that the Jazz are in the run for Maggette they might be in the best position if Clippers focus on a 2007 first round pick.
Jazz 2007 pick will be a late one and the Jazz core is still so young, that they don't need the pick as much as some other teams, who desperatly need youth.(like we do)
if the Clippers are happy with a 2008 1st rounder it's something different. I would say give it to them if it lands us Maggette.
This franchise must remain compe ive (top 8-10 in the L) for it to sell seats in SA - the city won't support a rebuilding team, IMO; Championships are great, but if they mean the loss of a chance of compe iveness in the future, the Spurs, as a business, can't do it for the long term economic health of the club.
I don't know if that is why they are balking at this particular deal, however.
I've heard this a deep draft, but a 25-30 pick is still a crap shoot. Also, I always was under the impression that the team didn't like to commit money to late 1st round picks because of the fact that they rarely pan out. We still have three 2nd round picks even if we trade away our 1st rounder. I have a hard time believing that the pick is the thing holding this up.
I also have a hard time believing that if faced with the choice of Posey, Wright, and a 1st (probably a mid 1st rounder based on the Heat's record) vs. Barry, Beno, and a late 1st rounder, that they would choose our offer.
Well, I don't think that's what the Heat offered. Dorrell Wright has been playing too well to package for Maggette. The offer might have been Posey/Kapono or something involving Antoine Walker. And it's doubtful the Heat offered a first, either. They don't have a 2007 first round pick.
The Spurs might be seeing that their policy of throwing away first round picks has bitten them in the ass. Their bench is obviously old and pretty decrepit. Watching Isiah Thomas, of all people, get very good value late in the draft (David Lee, anyone?) hopefully has shown the Spurs the value of 1) drafting in the late first round, and 2) having good domestic scouting. Maybe, maybe not.
The Spurs, btw, only have 3 second rounders this year if Chicago is a top-9 team. Currently they are 10.
I'm sure the Spurs are debating whether Maggette is worth a first rounder and the 2008 plan. One or the other would be easier to swallow.I don't know if that is why they are balking at this particular deal, however.
Maggette is listed as doubtfull for tonight game against Hornets.
Maggette injury can be a quite good news for Spurs because :
- Clippers are in the hunt for the playoffs : trading Maggette now will allow them to have a player that can play for the following games.
- Maggette trade value will drop : injuries have always been a concern about him and he is injured again.
These points are moot if :
- Maggette is back tonight or the game after.
- There is no timetable for Maggette return. I can't see Spurs (or another team) trading for an injured Maggette if his injury is complicate.
The Clippers' window for the playoffs is very small, it's true; they need to turn things around in a hurry. Waiting until the deadline may not work.
I doubt the severity of the injury to Maggette. By accounts, he injured his foot against Orlando and then played significant minutes for two more games after that. I personally think this is entirely related to his trade demands.
Geez, Buford. Just get it done.
Why the would the heat give up wright and a first round pick for just Maggette?? Something must be missing...
It's hoopsworld. They're commonly moronic.
Don't worry. The Spurs will be able to surround Tim Duncan with the best possible talent...in 2015.
I think it'd be dumb not to part with a first round pick for Maggette. This year's draft is deep, but the talent falls off at around 25 even if everyone expected to declares.
And the days of the Spurs plucking diamonds out of the rough late in the draft are over. The rest of the league has caught up to the Spurs in overseas scouting, making it a fair playing field. Under those cir stances, this front office has been horrible. Chris Carrawell over Michael Redd and Viktor Sanikidze over Trevor Ariza should tell you a lot.
Plus, think about it, if Maggette fell out of the sky into the Spurs' hands without losing any players, Barry would get DNP-CD's anyways. Beno is playing horrible. So the trade would basically be Corey Maggette and the Clippers taking on the contracts of Barry and Beno for a first round pick. How do you not do that trade?
The only way you don't is if you think the Spurs can draft a player better than Corey Maggette at their spot in the draft ... and the chances of that are less than 1%.
Get the deal done.
I think that contrary to what we've heard, the clips want more than Barry/Beno + pick. Or they are at least holding out for more. I really can't see the Spurs holding off on the deal if it is there.
Do you whine this much about everything or just about the Spurs? Everyone is annoyed with the front office, but you just post the same over and over again. We get the point.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....-bulls-utilityCarter rumors
The Nets have been sending out word they have no interest in trading Vince Carter, though I don't believe it. He's their leading scorer and he has an opt-out clause after this season, but he has been in a season-long funk with personal issues.
Rumors had the Nets talking with the staggering Clippers for the suddenly in-demand Corey Maggette. You wonder if a deal sending Maggette and Sam Cassell to New Jersey would re-energize the Nets and provide the Clippers with a deep threat, given their commitment to poor-shooting point guard Shaun Livingston.
It didn't help last week when Livingston, after being burned by Arenas, publicly wondered why he didn't have double-teaming help.
"We can't just keep leaving one guy on an island," he said. "Obviously, it's not working."
Hey, maybe you should try harder.
I think you AND the published reports could be right. I think the Clippers were hoping for more than they got and weren't enamored with any deal on the table. I also think that the Spurs tried to play "hard to get" by pointing out the positives in Barry and Beno for what they'd be losing if the deal got done.
I'm pretty sure the Spurs are hoping Maggette's trade value continues to decline through injury or displayed malcontent to the media, that way the Clips have no choice but to take the best offer....probably the Spurs at this point.
Carter rumors -- is Cassell ever going to play again? LAC wipes a lot of salary off the books by trading for Vince Carter, since it's not clear he resigns with them, but I'm not absolutely sure NJN likes this trade. It adds two strong, demanding personalities to a relatively quiet team.
'Sides, the Nets need big guys, not more perimeter players.
I think that's right. Clips have stated they want the veteran player, the young prospect, plus a first round pick. And they need shooters.
The Spurs don't want to give up their first round pick, I don't think. They've stated before they intend to try to move up using Scola or whatever else. Getting sub-lottery, even 20, could net them a guy like Corey Brewer this year, who could be an adrenaline shot.
So it's medium-stakes poker for these teams. The Clippers are probably floating these Vince Carter rumors themselves, to drive the costs up. Meanwhile the Spurs are looking nonchalant.
The Spurs played a good hand with Jackie Butler last year, gambling correctly that IT wouldn't match.
They've blown gambles elsewhere, as with Scola, which they've played somewhat poorly.
We'll see. I don't see LAC getting veteran+prospect+first rounder. They'll get two of those things. The first two.
New Article by Don Harris
WOAI LinkyBy Don Harris, News 4 WOAI
There's growing talk around the league that the Spurs want to make a few changes before the stretch run. The biggest rumor has the Spurs landing LA Clipper Corey Maggette.
Maggette's an athletic scorer who can rebound - exactly what some say the Spurs need.
Last year at this time, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said the Spurs would stick with the team they had. This week I asked Pop the same question. The answer is pretty telling.
“While the year is progressing we will receive calls and make calls and talk to other teams. They'll tell us who they like on our team and we'll tell them who we like on their team, and sometimes trades are made - sometimes they aren't,” said Pop.
“We're perfectly willing to make changes if we think it's going to give us a better shot to win the championship. But all things being equal, in almost every year, as you guys know, we're probably not going to change anything.
So the big question is, “Who do the Spurs give up to get Maggette?” Speculation is that Beno Udrih and Brent Barry would be package together. What would you give up? Drop me an email: [email protected] and tell me what you think.
It's odd Pop would phrase his response like that. They're up to something.
It's Pop in full CIA mode. It's driving me crazy but it may be a hint that he isn't willing to give up the draft pick...or the trade is done...or that nothing is ever going to change.
Uh, Don -- don't you remember he was lying then?Last year at this time, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said the Spurs would stick with the team they had.
Like when he has said :
We won't make a move before the deadline and the day after, Malik was traded.
or
Finley will likely sign with Suns and few days later he signed with Spurs.
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