WTC Steel Beams Found

[Spurminator]

Now even pictures are not good enough? Your really reaching out there for answers aren't you?

Besides how thick are the metal legs to that chair that is supporting your fat ass off the floor?

Give it up bro you can't argue with the facts, you need to get off the Chump band wagon and make your move to the side of reality of what really took place and save what little is left of your reputation as a smart man.
After all, at the end of all this the truth will finally set you free.

What are you talking about? I'm totally with you, man.

Not only do I believe that 9/11 was executed by people within our own government, I believe that those same people executed a viral "Conspiracy Theory" campaign of bloggers and videos in order to give the Sheeple of this country someone to point fingers and laugh at, distracting them while the Government and Media's coordinated Superplot goes undetected and their shameful crimes unpunished.

All told, in my estimation there are approximately 47 people in this country who are not "in" on the whole thing. You and I are two of those people.

Keep fighting the good fight, Soldiers of Truth!

[Geddy Lee]

Yeah! What Spurminator said!

[Johnny Cakes]

I'm with the Spurm and the Mouse.

[=RTM=]

Thermal charges are needed to cut through steel. Demolition experts have been using them for years to demolish steel frame buildings. The heat is so hot it takes sometimes months to cool off as shown in this photo.




The fire was so hot for 4 weeks firemen had to change out their boots ever 8 hours.

also Thermal heat produces a white smoke that was visible a month after 9/11 and many firemen today suffer from breathing it in.

[1369]

Thermal charges are needed to cut through steel.

No Mouse, they are not.

Things like dynamite, C4, Semtex, Datasheet and TNT are used to cut through steel.

Thermite grenades do not cut steel, they melt holes in it.

[01Snake]

What I've gathered from my in-depth analysis of all the info about 9-11 is this:

Chuck Norris did it. Only one man has the skill needed to pull off such a feat.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm coming around to the position of Truth -- in fact, the conclusion that I draw from the satellite heat imagery is that the source of the Helotes mulch fire is undoubtedly explosives planted by the federal government. After all, a simple fire wouldn't burn on for weeks or months, regardless of how many fuel sources might exist.

The Helotes mulch fire must be still another vast conspiracy. Why aren't more people asking questions about that?

[Phenomanul]

THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?

.......

Therefore T = (477,400,000,000 + 46,441,341,875)/1,857,653,675 = 282° C (540° F).

So, the jet fuel could (at the very most) have only added T - 25 = 282 - 25 = 257° C (495° F) to the temperature of the typical office fire that developed.

Remember, this figure is a huge over-estimate, as (among other things) it assumes that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb the heat, whereas in reality, the jet fuel fire was all over in one or two minutes, and the energy not absorbed by the concrete and steel within this brief period (that is, almost all of it) would have been vented to the outside world.

"The time to consume the jet fuel can be reasonably computed. At the upper bound, if one assumes that all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor, it would form a pool that would be consumed by fire in less than 5 minutes"

Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).

Here are statements from three eye-witnesses that provide evidence that the heating due to the jet fuel was indeed minimal.

Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: "We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped."

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: "The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway."

Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: "Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That's how I got so burned."

Neither Stanley Praimnath nor Donovan Cowan nor Ling Young were cooked by the jet fuel fire. All three survived.

Summarizing:

We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.

Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).

Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.

It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.

"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."

Quote from the FEMA report (Appendix A).

Recalling that the North Tower suffered no major structural damage from the intense office fire of February 23, 1975, we can conclude that the ensuing office fires of September 11, 2001, also did little extra damage to the towers.

Conclusion:

The jet fuel fires played almost no role in the collapse of the World Trade Center.

So, once again, you have been lied to by the media, are you surprised?

Funny how this facade of 'combustion chemistry' fails to adequately justify the combustible value of wood, plastic, and other items in the building itself... I'll tell you this however... I work in a production unit that generates kerosene and jet fuel... and it burns much, much hotter than the 540 degrees Fahrenheit suggested by this calculation.

I can't believe someone would go completely out of their way to fabricate this fuzzy math full of supposedly generous assumptions and then not even get close to the actual BTU value of Jet Fuel A.

[=RTM=]

No Mouse, they are not.

Things like dynamite, C4, Semtex, Datasheet and TNT are used to cut through steel.

Termite grenades do not cut steel, they melt holes in it.

You have never seen the government use Thermite before?
and you call yourself ex military?

Your a disgrace to all the prior service members.


Below military Thermite belt.





Workers at WTC find many Thermite hot spots still burning weeks after 9/11





The following photos show how Thermite Burns for weeks.




Check out the Chump Dumper type meltdowns going on in this forum.


http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...6/18136191.php

[FromWayDowntown]

And clearly, thermite is at play these days in Helotes, too. That's the only possible explanation for a fire burning that long.

[Phenomanul]

Here I even circled it for Chump and his blind followers.

Wait... so we didn't cut any beams during the rescue efforts?

It's all in the context.

[=RTM=]

Wait... so we didn't cut any beams during the rescue efforts?

It's all in the context.

That picture is hours old do you know when they actually started using machinery to rescue people? or are you pulling a Chump Dumper and trying to bait us with stupidity?

[1369]

You have never seen the government use Thermite before?
and you call yourself ex military?

Your a disgrace to all the prior service members.


Below military Thermite belt.





Workers at WTC find many Thermite hot spots still burning weeks after 9/11





The following photos show how Thermite Burns for weeks.




Check out the Chump Dumper type meltdowns going on in this forum.


http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...6/18136191.php

Now you're just being silly Mouse.

Cool product line though. Thanks for the link.

[FromWayDowntown]

That picture is hours old do you know when they actually started using machinery to rescue people? or are you pulling a Chump Dumper and trying to bait us with stupidity?

Where's your proof of that assertion? or should we just take your word for it. My recollection is that Ground Zero looked to be mostly in that condition for several weeks after 9/11.

If you have proof that the photo was taken on 9/11 or 9/12, I'd be surprised.

[Phenomanul]

That picture is hours old do you know when they actually started using machinery to rescue people? or are you pulling a Chump Dumper and trying to bait us with stupidity?

I don't know how you could assert that either way.... that is all I was saying.

edit: FWD beat me to it.

[Nbadan]

What I've gathered from my in-depth analysis of all the info about 9-11 is this:

Chuck Norris did it. Only one man has the skill needed to pull off such a feat.

Chuck Norris is the man. Norris went to the Virgin Islands once, now they're just called the Islands.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Someone finally hijacked this thread. Chuck Norris to the rescue!

[Crookshanks]

What I've gathered from my in-depth analysis of all the info about 9-11 is this:

Chuck Norris did it. Only one man has the skill needed to pull off such a feat.

Maybe he had some help from MacGuyver - he knows how to make bombs out of chewing gum, string, and leftover truck parts!

[ChumpDumper]

Why is mouse posting stuff that argues both sides of the issue?

Why is he so afraid to say what he believed happened?

[Extra Stout]

Why is mouse posting stuff that argues both sides of the issue?

Why is he so afraid to say what he believed happened?

How do I know you aren't part of the conspiracy? ChumpDumper is an anagram for CD HUMMER PUP, which sounds vaguely military to me.

[Nbadan]

CD HUMMER PUP

chump is a cross-dresser?

[=RTM=]

Where's your proof of that assertion? or should we just take your word for it. My recollection is that Ground Zero looked to be mostly in that condition for several weeks after 9/11.

If you have proof that the photo was taken on 9/11 or 9/12, I'd be surprised.

It does not matter if it was Sept 4th they did not bring out the cutting torches till the 5th, Does anyone here actually do any research before you respond?

[=RTM=]

Why is mouse posting stuff that argues both sides of the issue?

Why is he so afraid to say what he believed happened?

Because I am Fair and balanced and I want more facts before I give my personal opinion, Something you should practice.

[ChumpDumper]

What more do you want me to do? I watched In Plane Sight and Loose Change and read a bit on the internets and concluded that those two films are not terribly interested in actual truth. In fact, it suits their makers just fine if the whole truth is NEVER known. They'll be able to make a loose change off of this indefinitely.

I have an open mind, but I have a very low BS tolerance level. These conspiracists aren't convincing in the least.

[Phenomanul]

It does not matter if it was Sept 4th they did not bring out the cutting torches till the 5th, Does anyone here actually do any research before you respond?

So I'm to believe that firemen brought out the cutting torches 6 days before the actual attack on the 11th... I see. Kind of odd in that context.