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Philly.
Probably no place else, though.
Philly.
Probably no place else, though.
Its official.
This topic is hotter than Kidd to SA.
Ha. Maybe you haven't forgotten, but clearly you don't remember well. I never said anything about him getting back in the Coyote suit.
true...forgot about Philly.
I was going to say Jersey but there are not enough fans there to care!
More like:Blame:
Ben Wallace: 60%
Fans: 30%
Artest: 10%
Ron Artest: 45%
Stephen Jackson: 45%
Ben Wallace: 5%
Jermaine O'Neal: 5%
Artest's foul wasn't even that bad. The fan's induced it even more. Wallace overreacted. He got hit in the shoulder.
Philly and Detroit ... that's it. Maybe Memphis in 20 years.
I just can't believe how ESPN is placing nearly [i]all[/] blame on the fans and defending the players who charged into the crowd.
Fans hit them once they charged into the crowd and hit other fans? Where's the outrage there? If a guy next to be was being beaten up by an athlete, I'd try to break it up (unless the athlete was like .. Shaq size).
ESPN SportsNation Poll
1) Was this the ugliest incident of fan-player violence you can recall?
83.7% Yes
16.3% No
2) Which was the worst incident between fans and players?
68.1% Ron Artest and Pacers battle Detroit fans in the stands
25.9% Royals coach Tom Gamboa attacked on field in Chicago
6.1% Texas pitcher Frank Francisco throws chair into stands
3) Who is most to blame for Friday night's brawl in Detroit?
51.5% Detroit fans
33.6% Ron Artest
8.8% Ben Wallace
5.5% Detroit security
0.6% Referees
4) Do you fault Ron Artest for going into the stands after being hit from close range by a full cup of beer and other items?
53.2% Yes, he has to have a cooler head and let security handle it.
46.8% No, any person has a right to defend him or herself in that situation.
5) Do you fault other Pacers players for going into the stands after Artest reacted?
56.2% No, they've got to protect a teammate.
43.8% Yes, they weren't attacked but they escalated the situation.
6) What should happen to Ben Wallace?
53.0% Suspended 1-5 games
18.0% Monetary fine but no suspension
15.9% Suspended 6-10 games
13.1% Suspended more than 10 games
7) What should happen to Ron Artest?
41.4% Suspended more than 10 games
25.8% Suspended 1-5 games
16.6% Suspended 6-10 games
16.2% Monetary fine but no suspension
8) What should happen to Stephen Jackson?
32.5% Suspended more than 10 games
32.0% Suspended 1-5 games
20.0% Suspended 6-10 games
15.5% Monetary fine but no suspension
9) Should local authorities use videotape to prosecute unruly fans on any applicable charges relating to Friday's game?
59.3% Yes, anyone throwing anything at players or personnel
33.9% Yes, but only those involved in physical violence
6.8% No, keep it out of those kind of courts
10) How much of a role did alcohol play in Friday's brawl escalating out of control?
49.4% Somewhat responsible
37.1% Largely responsible
13.6% Barely played a role
11) When should beer sales end at NBA games?
39.6% After third quarter
39.5% Halftime
20.9% End of the game
12) Have you ever had too much to drink at a sporting event?
74.3% No
25.7% Yes
13) Should the NBA consider nearby neutral sites like Toledo, Louisville or Cincinnati for future Pistons-Pacers games?
81.2% No
18.8% Yes
14) Are fans hypocritical for blasting a loss of sportsmanship among professional athletes?
52.4% Yes. Have you been to a game lately? Fans have lost all civility.
47.6% No. It's only a small percentage of fans, compared to a larger percentage of athletes.
15) What did you think of the foul by Artest that started the incident?
41.1% It was a hard foul but that's about it.
33.9% Cheap shot. What was he doing fouling at all at that point?
25.1% Wallace was just sore about the score; fouls like that happen all the time.
16) What should happen to Jermaine O'Neal?
32.6% Suspended 1-5 games
27.7% Monetary fine but no suspension
23.6% Suspended more than 10 games
16.2% Suspended 6-10 games
Total Votes: 54,222
Way to long to read. Ben Wallace IMO over reacted on a semi flagrant foul if he didn't do that this would have never happend. If it did happend Artest wasn't in any blame untill the beer cup incident and that was a fan's fault.
C'mon timvp, NO BLAME on the fans? My jaw is dropping.
Stupid wording of the answers. Defend himself?? From what, beer bothering his contact lenses. He wasn't in danger until he went into the stands.4) Do you fault Ron Artest for going into the stands after being hit from close range by a full cup of beer and other items?
53.2% Yes, he has to have a cooler head and let security handle it.
46.8% No, any person has a right to defend him or herself in that situation.
All this crap is nothing new....
Players have always thrown stuff into the stands when pissed at fans and fans have always thrown stuff at players....it's been going on as long as there's been fans and athletes.
Ty Cobb once beat the crap out of a one handed fan...he once kicked a pregneant woman in the stomach...
Albert Belle once threw a ball into the stands...
It happens in the Euro leagues all the time...
Crap this is tame by most International Soccer games. It's tame compared to what used to happen at Eagles and Browns games.
Bottom line...
If a fan gets on the court...he deserves an ass beating.
If a player goes into the stands...he also deserves an ass beating.
If a fan is stupid enough to run out on the field where he is outnumbered 10-1 he deserves what he gets...
Ditto a player who goes up into the stands.
What would an average person do if they got beer thrown on them on a street? It's like that one dude said on ESPN:
I got hit by a beer cup and after that a cop came up and asked do you want to press charges for assault.
Ron Artest will always be the Center of controversy. Dude should go promote his rap album. He might be able to do it now.
I understand what your saying.....But the thing is we always say "Hey!!! Just walk away!" But sometimes you just can't. I'm not waying I condone what he did, but I understand. Fans can be down right nasty and degrading sometimes (I know I've been that way before) After a while you can't take it no more. This whole situation is just a terrible and sad day for the NBA. When someone says that they would do the same thing, try to take into consideration that you can't always walk away.
Detroit fans get some blame ... I was just talking about the players.
The NBA can't suspend Detroit's fans or anything.
That's crazy. I don't see why people are letting Artest off the hook. He's a time bomb.
He's a grown man. He should be able to handle getting wet without assaulting fans. Does he start swinging his fists randomnly when it's raining outside.
You know, if you adjust that ESPN poll for any partisan Detroit or Indiana votes (ie.e, no suspensions for Wallace or Artest/Jackson), I have to say that the distribution of opinions is very fair and reasonable.
They can pull their season tickets, well the team can. The NBA can get the team to do that.
Players like Oneal have to walk away. Image is everything.
Steel cage match next time.
Sadly its the "street thug, I have to prove i'm a man" mentality that more and more young players have now. Takes a bigger man to walk away.
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