Spurs To Retire Avery Johnson's Number 6

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The point is Pop wouldn't have let it go down like that if he didn't want it to go down like that.


Where is the controversy or distraction? All that is in your own mind.

Most Spurs fans can at least grasp the fact that AJ meant something to the Spurs. You think basketball revolves around three-point shooting so therefore AJ sucked.

Luckily, most Spurs fans don't look at basketball in that context.

FWIW out of over 100 votes on your wifes poll its almost 2:1 saying that he shouldnt get his number retired.

[whottt]

I was just trying to back up your devastating argument that Fighting In The Locker Room = Bad Leader.

Who said Jordan was a great leader?


Said to Jordan:

You don't make your teamates better.


Jordan's response:

Then get me better teamates.

[timvp]

FWIW out of over 100 votes on your wifes poll its almost 2:1 saying that he shouldnt get his number retired.

AJ isn't a fan favorite. Never was. That's a myth.

I'm actually surprised the poll is that close.

[whottt]

FWIW out of over 100 votes on your wifes poll its almost 2:1 saying that he shouldnt get his number retired.

Don't mess with timvp when he's spinning...someone could get injured.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

AJ isn't a fan favorite. Never was. That's a myth.

I'm actually surprised the poll is that close.

interesting. I always thought most people bought into that little general crap they were always force feeding us.

[whottt]

Wouldn't that have more to do with the fact that Avery was the caliber shooter who would go on to hit a total of 27 threes over his career?
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Right...not only would Jordan have not passed it to AJ...AJ wouldn't have been on the court. He'd have had to get by Jordan and Phil...aint happening with no 3 shot....


Not that threes are important to those guys or anything............

[whottt]

interesting. I always thought most people bought into that little general crap they were always force feeding us.

timvp is full of it...word is Kori had to take him to the hospital to get treated for shock when he saw the results of the original ST AJ jersey retirement poll(which was the first time AJ lost one of those polls, before he coached the Mavs).

The fact is...once AJ got out of SA the Spurs couldn't protect AJ from his own mouth...and that's got more do with his loss of popularity than anything else...especially his mouth during the playoffs 2 years ago....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Right...not only would Jordan have not passed it to AJ...AJ wouldn't have been on the court. He'd have had to get by Jordan and Phil...aint happening with no 3 shot....


Not that threes are important to those guys or anything............

it wasnt just his three point shot. his midrange shot was crap as well. he couldnt hit anything farther out than a layup with consistency and he wasnt quick enough to beat people off the dribble.

His lack of quicks hurt him on defense and he was so small that he could easily be outmuscled.

In his favor he didnt turn the ball over very mucha nd was a decent passer but he was mediocre on the break.

[whottt]

The point is Pop wouldn't have let it go down like that if he didn't want it to go down like that.

So wait...Pop wanted to look like a clueless idiot?

Why?


What purpose did it serve...other than to make Pop look like a clueless idiot?


Yeah...nothing says intelligence like

A. Handing out a jersey he wanted to retire.

B. Telling Manu he wasn't good enough for that jersey. And publicly making an ass of him. Can only help when it's time to re-sign Manu.

C. Indian Giving.


Sure...Pop loves cluster s like that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

timvp is full of it...word is Kori had to take him to the hospital to get treated for shock when he saw the results of the original ST AJ jersey retirement poll(which was the first time AJ lost one of those polls, before he coached the Mavs).

The fact is...once AJ got out of SA the Spurs couldn't protect AJ from his own mouth...and that's got more do with his loss of popularity than anything else...especially his mouth during the playoffs 2 years ago....

Oh i know. i just hope he doesnt think his condescension is convincing anyone.

[whottt]

it wasnt just his three point shot. his midrange shot was crap as well. he couldnt hit anything farther out than a layup with consistency and he wasnt quick enough to beat people off the dribble.

I know...it's just that there's no statistical evidence to prove he couldn't hit that 15 footer worth a flip for %99.9999999 of his career...while 1 playoff 3 in a 19 year career kicks the ass of anyone attempting to argue he had a shot.


That is probably the lowest 3 made/attempt by a guard in NBA history...

In 19 years this dude was only open enough to take a 3 27 times? Ridiculous...

With that low of totals, he was either the most dangerous and best defended 3 shooter in NBA history...or the least, and still refusing to take them. No two ways about it...

[timvp]

whottt and Fuzzy is a match made in heaven.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

whottt and Fuzzy is a match made in heaven.

brah, why are you being like this?

its not as if were not trying to make an intelligent argument.

you claim he had big games. we point out he was wide open and could only hit from that one spot on the floor as well as overall completion percentage.

you claim 'most fans' appreciate what Johnson has done and we cite the poll that is up.

you claim his leadership and we cite the fight and a few articles that contradict that.

I mean youve even called me a liar and then questioned my factual correctness when one of those articles pretty much spelled out how factually correct you were. it was over a glare malik gave when johnson dropped the soap on defense and not malik holding onto the ball.

But now youre playing this game and i really dont get it.

[timvp]

Who said Jordan was a great leader?

Now Jordan wasn't a leader. I guess his three-point percentage wasn't impressive enough.

[timvp]

timvp is full of it...word is Kori had to take him to the hospital to get treated for shock when he saw the results of the original ST AJ jersey retirement poll(which was the first time AJ lost one of those polls, before he coached the Mavs).

The fact is...once AJ got out of SA the Spurs couldn't protect AJ from his own mouth...and that's got more do with his loss of popularity than anything else...especially his mouth during the playoffs 2 years ago....

I've been defending AJ since you were a Mavs fan back before you became a Spurs fan. You don't think I know how much this fan base never appreciated AJ? He may at one point been popular with the most casual of casual Spurs fans ... but even that was overstated.

[timvp]

it wasnt just his three point shot. his midrange shot was crap as well. he couldnt hit anything farther out than a layup with consistency and he wasnt quick enough to beat people off the dribble.

You wonder why I'm being hard on you and then you have a take like this. His midrange shot was always decent. It became good starting in around 1998. And he had enough quickness to get in the lane and finish over taller defenders.

You crap on his whole game and then get offended when I correct it.

[timvp]

So wait...Pop wanted to look like a clueless idiot?

Clueless idiot? You are the only person to say that.

So not only did Don Harris strong arm Pop into doing something he didn't want to do, Pop came out looking like a clueless idiot. Got it.

I guess Pop hasn't hit enough three-pointers either . . .

[timvp]

brah, why are you being like this?

I'm not being like anything. I'm just trying to interject some reality to the AJ bashfest you and whottt are having.

If you have a problem with AJ's jersey being retired, you have a problem with Pop, Peter Holt, David Robinson, timvp, Sean Elliott, Mario Elie, the 1999 championship, gumbo and the current offense the Spurs run.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You wonder why I'm being hard on you and then you have a take like this. His midrange shot was always decent. It became good starting in around 1998. And he had enough quickness to get in the lane and finish over taller defenders.

You crap on his whole game and then get offended when I correct it.

Oh so now i have gotten offended? Youre the one thats starting to make matchmaking comments.

His midrange game after 98 was a 15 to 18 footer to the left of the key when his man would double to the strongside and even that went into the toilet but then there is the whole issue of the 6 seasons before 98-99 where he was godawful.

And i never said he couldnt finish. He was effective with that scoop but he generally was incapable of beating his man off the dribble.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not being like anything. I'm just trying to interject some reality to the AJ bashfest you and whottt are having.

If you have a problem with AJ's jersey being retired, you have a problem with Pop, Peter Holt, David Robinson, timvp, Sean Elliott, Mario Elie, the 1999 championship, gumbo and the current offense the Spurs run.

Reality huh? Its not as if were making posts consisting of 'Avery is the suxxorz Mavs traitor and i wish he would die.'

Were discussing the merits of Johnson and youre starting to get snippy.

[ShoogarBear]

Reality huh? Its not as if were making posts consisting of 'Avery is the suxxorz Mavs traitor and i wish he would die.'

Clearly you don't know who you're siding with.

[whottt]

Now Jordan wasn't a leader. I guess his three-point percentage wasn't impressive enough.

He lead....but he didn't make other guys better by naturally playing to their strenghts...he lead by taking the freaking ball and scoring his teams to wins. I wouldn't call his leadership skills great...he got better at it as he learned to trust his teamates later on...

But no...he wasn't a particularly great or natural leader. Great player...not a great leader...


Early on he was Kobe....with a better shooting PCT.


FWIW...I agree, he's one thousand times the leader AJ was...


Happy now?



Tim Duncan is a much better leader than Jordan was IMO.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Clearly you don't know who you're siding with.

i could give a if mouse agrees with me. and hes not posting tripe like that now.

ive actually held this opinion about johnson for years even when he was at the height of his little general propaganda lovefest.

[whottt]

Clearly you don't know who you're siding with.

Sure he does...TimVP already said he used to be a MavFan, which means he's separated himself from Ponky and Skank....and Leonard.


Unlike some.......






By the way it sure was genius of Pop to give Manu a jersey he wanted to retire...checking those poll results, it worked like a charm.

[ShoogarBear]

He lead....but he didn't make other guys better by naturally playing to their strenghts...he lead by taking the freaking ball and scoring his teams to wins. I wouldn't call his leadership skills great...he got better at it as he learned to trust his teamates later on...

Hmmm. So then would you call DRob a great leader?