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this has yet to be proven, tbh.
Every team is a bad matchup for us the way we play basketball
this has yet to be proven, tbh.
He's going through the growing pains of being a NBA athlete.
Needs to get stronger, play closer to the basket and stop taking off-balance jumpers.
Having a different coach, more shooting or any other excuse isn't gonna improve his strength, conditioning, etc.
He's supposed to be a top 10 player and the future of the league, so start playing like it like the end of last season. Point blank.
And people sound stupid as saying to not criticize the best player on the team, but bend over backwards to criticize everything & everyone else. That is just insane logic and coddling that a player still improving doesn't need. Hold him - just like y'all constantly complain and criticize Pop - to the highest standard and nothing less.
Last edited by J_Paco; 10-30-2024 at 11:39 PM.
Same boat. This offense ruins my night man.
I'm not pleased with Wemby at all, but the difference between him and Pop is that Wemby shows bright spots. Pop hasn't had a team that looks competent, or even cognizant, during a basketball game in six years. Being outmatched talent-wise is one thing, but the teams never look like they are trying to take advantage in any directed and particular ways. They just get out there, run around, and fall on the floor. They don't look as if someone is whispering in their ears, giving them the answers.
Vic's playstyle is lame, but it doesn't seem like anyone is coaching him up so, what do?
I am unsure if this is on Pop or not. If you're best player, in lined to the best top 20 for the season, plays that bad, you are not winning games against many teams in the NBA. Our defense is 12 in the NBA, which is incredible. But we are bottom 5 defending the 3pt line. Our TO is last in the league.
How long before the geniuses who draw up the plays realize that putting Wemby in that Joker position in catching the ball isn't working right now. The usual 40 games before they realize this?
rough start for Victor
he's supposed to be stronger and/or focus on balance and strength on his sop re year but he looks worse, tired and lost
oh well, now my expectations are low for this season, just have to be patient with this team
If he weren't a Spur, we'd all be laughing at him right now.
Seconded. Take the old man out to pasture already. It’s beyond passed time for a new, younger, and hungrier coach in this franchise. Pop having complete immunity from the F.O. is not conducive to winning basketball games. We could go 0-82 and this old fart wouldn’t bat an eye cause he knows his job is safe no matter what. Get Pop outta here and bring in a young-gun to grow with this young team. It’s not like we’re winning games anyways.
28mins a game that all for Wemby says that one IDIOT here to preserve him from injury lol . I Agree Wemby goona be asking for a trade soon . What a shame the downfall of this franchise .
I mean you can clearly see the development after working out with Jamal Crawford this summer
In hindsight, he should have been working with Tim Duncan, LaMarcus, David Robinson etc. If he didn't work with those guys, it's looking kind of silly right now.I mean you can clearly see the development after working out with Jamal Crawford this summer
A lot of blame for everyone but wemby again.
Even though wemby is clearly off to a slow start, a lot of it is self induced. He jacks up 5 3s a game and is only making 19% so far. Yes it’s unusually low, but at some point he has to realize the outside shot isn’t falling and he has to impose his will on defence and shove the bal down their throats in the paint, double and triple team be damned.
He also isn’t passing the ball particularly well. Lots of turnovers as well.
When sochan is out scoring VW, got more assists and have a better 3pt%, there’s a real problem. VW has to take on some, if not most of that blame and take over the game. He hasn’t so far but it’s real early in the season. He started off the season slow last year and I would hate this being a pattern.
He’s not the first superstar to have a bad (shooting) roster around him. The admiral, Kareem in the 70s, Barkley with the 6ers in the late 80s early 90s, Lebron when he was young, wade in the late 00s, jokic now, but these guys all produced. They put up stats even their teams weren’t winning because that’s what superstars do.
Why are we not criticizing Wemby for not being able to score when he is being guarded by a player a foot shorter than he is? Players like Dillon Brooks and Alex Caruso should have no ing business guarding Wembanyama yet he lets them punk him and push him out of position. ing shoot over them. That is not on any coach that is on Wemby.
Are ppl just realizing this or what?
I've been saying that for over a year. He got better - Caruso could hold him on the position, last year he was pushing him off position.
We can blame the over-eager 20 year old for that or the supposed GOAT coach.
When Jokic gets the ball, they all move, cut etc to offer solutions.
When Wemby gets the ball they all wait static
I actually think finding inspiration in Jokic's game is a geat idea bc Vic is a willing a good passer + anytim he hets the ball there's at least 1 Spur wide open, but bringing Cp3 took away his playmaking.
The problem is when something doesn't open up, he jacks up a 3 or starts dribbling and gets swarmed by like 3 dudes and nothing good follows. If he was consistent with his jump shot, then this wouldn't be a discussion but here we are.
We are going to see what Wemby is made of with this rough start to his sop re season.
I think LaMarcus Aldridge was correct in saying that the kid needs to simplify his game offensively. Find his preferred spots and develop 4 go-to shots. His game is too expansive and random for a 7'5" guy.
His team mates and coaching staff are not helping much, seemingly. LMA might've been a better workout partner than Crawford.
I do question the players we are sticking with (Keldon/Branham/Wesley, esp.), the game planning, the offense (what offense?) and the overall plan for this rebuild. It is in an ugly place right now. I'd be so curious to find out what other top coaches and GMs would say about our team.
To bring this into perspective, the Washington Wizards looked like a playoff team last night compared to the Spurs.
He needs to focus on becoming a great mid-range shooter. The mid-range shot is much easier to hit than the 3-point shot. If he can become good at the mid-range it will open up easier scoring opportunities in the paint for him. The 3-point shot is harder to master compared to the mid-range.
Deep down I knew that Wemby playing in the Olympics would have consequences for his sop re year. In the long run the experience is positive obviously but short term he needed a complete offseason to reload and work on his game more.
OKC is an outlier. They have + defenders at every position. If they gamble, and they did a lot last night with great success, it doesn’t matter if they get caught out of position. Someone will back them up. If Castle or Sochan gambles and misses, you’ve got two guys going downhill against Branham.
I didn't hate the way Victor played for stretches last night. The Spurs made some runs with him on the court when he sat back and let the other guys score points. I don't know if his sickness made him run out of energy or if he realized he had to take a step back. But maybe it's a sign of progress.
Do people remember when Wemby used to try to cherry pick after every possession? He'd constantly sprint away when the opposing team got a shot up, and multiple times his man would be the one to get the rebound. It took several games to sort that out. As bad as some things have been this year in terms of his habits, it still hasn't regressed to that point.
It's extremely hard to build anything around a guy who doesn't do anything well. Brazil couldn't name a single thing Wemby actually does repeatably well. He just listed potential things ("He has good vision") that haven't yet translated to anything solid. If Wemby had focused on being an elite PnR big, they could've built their offense around that. If he'd spent time studying how to move without the ball, they could build a screening game where he got midrange curls. When people like Sean talk about how the Spurs have to "play through Wemby", they come off a completely tone deaf to the reality of their star player. There's no way you can build an offense where five guys move with a common purpose if the guy who keeps getting the ball has no idea what he's going to do with it.
I don't know if folks have noticed over the last couple of games that the Spurs have started to move away from Wemby as the PnR screener. It's very possible this is because they want the guy guarded by the opposing center to set the screen. It seems clear to me one of the Spurs' foci coming into the year was to attack the opposing centers to deter cross-matches. That's why Sochan has been so aggressive this year. The reason why it hasn't changed much is that despite having a productive year so far, Sochan has not been particularly efficient. He's using possessions decently but only to a level the opposing coaches can live with. Running 1/4 PnRs rather than 1/5 seems to be another attempt to play into the strategy, with the added benefit of hopefully getting more solid screens. However, I have seen Sochan and Barnes slip screens too, so I wonder how much of Victor's habits on that end are his own inclinations versus what he's legitimately being asked to do by the staff.
There's a knock-on effect from Victor not learning how to play as a center. Because Victor doesn't know how to be a center, the opposing team does not have to put their center on him. Because he's not being guarded by centers, Wemby loses his agility advantage. Because he doesn't know how to be a center, he can't take advantage of the massive height difference. Because he doesn't have anything he can really do at that point, he panics. Teams know all this now and send guys at him. It's not because they don't respect the other guys on the court. It's because they know Wemby has to put the ball on the floor to feel comfortable shooting jump shots, so they can send a guy to dig out his dribble. There's basically no downside to doing that, because Wemby's offense isn't at the point where he can consistently punish that.
I could go on. But this year folks are recognizing the things I was saying last year to a much less receptive crowd. The point of me bringing these things up isn't to trash Wemby or suggest the team trades him. It's to hopefully establish why it takes six or seven years for guys to make it to the top of the mountain. The dude isn't ready -- he's not even meaningfully on the path to becoming ready. While I'm disappointed in the way he's conducted himself on the court at times, I'm not worried about his lack of production. Maturity takes time. It doesn't matter if you're extremely tall and have skills no one that tall has ever shone. He's still a kid, and it takes time. Stop trying to age him up in your head to meet your fantasies. The player he is now and the player he will be when he's ready are very different, and trying to superimpose that actualized player onto the current one and then making demands based on that construct would be foolish.
It's hard to imagine how much worse things would look right now if the team had traded a ton of picks for Markkanen. They'd have a guy clearly better than Victor on the court but who can't get touches in any flow because his co-star is jacking up 35-footers and breaking off possessions by running to the post and calling for the ball while a guy a foot shorter than him shoves him 15 feet across for the floor. I suggest the fans who still cling to the notions of Victor being ready to win now take a step back and resist the urge to place his struggles at the feet of his teammates. We already know what it looks like for a player to be limited by bad teammates. Robinson in the 90s, Lebron his first couple of years -- that's what it looks like when a guy his great but the other guys on the floor let him down. He's a guy who fundamentally doesn't know how to score consistently at the NBA level and between him and the coaching staff, he hasn't made tangible progress toward that consistency yet.
Last edited by Chinook; 10-31-2024 at 10:15 AM.
his passing vision is often much better than his execution. he'll spot an available skip pass, kind of throw an overhead hook pass and have it sail out of bounds.
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