The Parisian Patisserie of Victor Wembanyama

[MannyIsGod]

And he's right

A few of us have said it already, 3s will allow him to have a longer career and spread the floor even more than his teammates.

It could get ugly some days but big picture it's still fine

The people who think that being a high volume inefficient shooter is somehoe going to extend Wembys career are beyond delusional. If Wemby is shooting 30% for 3 there's no justification for shooting so many ing 3s. It's wasteful af and I am 100% certain his next coach isn't having it.

[Spurs Homer]

Let me spell out the future for all you nervous nellies trying to rein in wembys decisions on the court and your mistaken armchair amateur quarterbacking….

(clutching pearlz) “he is no curry!…..”he is no durant!” “He needs to stay near the basket!”

In the very near future wemby will out-curry curry from deep…he will be curry and then some from deep

wemby will out-durant durant…

wemby will also dominate inside under the basket, near the basket, he will out-big man ALL big men

so relax and enjoy the ride and stop trying to turn a multi-dimensional unicorn into a limited one dimensional tall guy that fits YOUR imagination…

or LACK of imagination.

[exstatic]

the media is turning on wembanyama he will as for trade if this continues........

Here you go, Manny.

[CGD]

So... they approve it

Don’t hate it but in that case Vic really needs to be in the high 30%. It’s the only way the opposing team will send size out to guard him, in turn opening up the floor for others.

Maybe Sochan turns into this, but if this is the strategy it makes me wonder if a post dominant big like a Según/Vuc could actually make sense up front with Vic down the road.

[exstatic]

Don’t hate it but in that case Vic really needs to be in the high 30%. It’s the only way the opposing team will send size out to guard him, in turn opening up the floor for others.

Maybe Sochan turns into this, but if this is the strategy it makes me wonder if a post dominant big like a Según/Vuc could actually make sense up front with Vic down the road.

He really doesn’t. Brook Lopez was considered a high level floor spacing big and shot 34.8% for his career. Anything in the 34-35% area would be fine.

[Frenchfred]

So... they approve it

For me, that shows that they don't care about winning this year. They know that the team is still a lottery bound team so they let Victor play how he wants to keep him happy while developing his ability to play pick and roll with CP and developing Castle and hope to have a good lottery pick.

[Pauleta14]

The people who think that being a high volume inefficient shooter is somehoe going to extend Wembys career are beyond delusional. If Wemby is shooting 30% for 3 there's no justification for shooting so many ing 3s. It's wasteful af and I am 100% certain his next coach isn't having it.

Not what I said

Of course it can't keep going like it is now, I'm talking big picture/long term

There will be games where he shoots too many 3s, like every stars in the league have. My point is he has to find his comfort zone and for that he needs to practice it in game.

Once the roster is composed of real talents he won't have to do it as much. Right now i'd rather him to take those

[Pauleta14]

For me, that shows that they don't care about winning this year. They know that the team is still a lottery bound team so they let Victor play how he wants to keep him happy while developing his ability to play pick and roll with CP and developing Castle and hope to have a good lottery pick.

I agree.

You can add that to the list, keeping basically the same worst roster of all time was also an indication tbh ^^

Wemby is using games to train and find his game and we just need to let him do his thing and stop with impossible comps.

Imo the only area where Pop is stricked with him is his defense and tbh it's been good even in his bad games.

[exstatic]

I agree.

You can add that to the list, keeping basically the same worst roster of all time was also an indication tbh ^^

Wemby is using games to train and find his game and we just need to let him do his thing and stop with impossible comps.

Imo the only area where Pop is stricked with him is his defense and tbh it's been good even in his bad games.

HOFer Chris Paul and vet Harrison Barnes have entered the chat…

[Leetonidas]

HOFer Chris Paul and vet Harrison Barnes have entered the chat…

"Basically"

[exstatic]

"Basically"

Sorry. Two new starters makes a huge difference. We would legit be 0-5 without those two new players. Sometimes, it’s about quality, not quan y. Adding them was a sea change, not just two new roster guys.

[baseline bum]

In the very near future wemby will out-curry curry from deep…he will be curry and then some from deep

Curry shot nearly 44% from the three at Victor's age.

[Spurs Homer]

Curry shot nearly 44% from the three at Victor's age.

Curry is not 7'5''

Wemby is not Curry. He will be a better Curry.

Sure, you can cut his legs now and force him under the basket into what YOU believe he should be or you can allow him (the way Pop is allowing him) to go thru his growing pains and become unstoppable from anywhere on the court.

Force him to stay near the basket and only shoot what makes YOU comfortable - is another way of saying.
"lets make defenses comfortable and only worry about defending wemby near the rim by putting 3 defenders on him to push him out"

or

allow him to be a long distance threat
a mid-level threat
a low post threat....

Wemby is all three and nervous spurs fans with zero imagination need to chill.

[Chinook]

I wonder if Pop is trying to get Wemby out of the perimeter to protect his handle? That might sound weird, because you have to dribble more to get to the basket. However, spacing is better the farther out you go and Wemby doesn't need many step (and thus dribbles) to get into the paint. So if Wemby can pull a center out to the three-point line and then get around him, it's probably one dribble until he's in scoring position. We saw someone like that against Chet in that sequence surrounding the still someone posted after the OKC game. Basically, Wemby took the board, brought the ball past half-court with Chet on him, and drove past Chet. OKC doubled (they didn't triple or quadruple him like some suggested). The normal way to respond to that would be to pass to Branham and start the wing to Barnes. However, with Wemby's height, he should have no problem throwing the skip pass directly to Barnes over the head of the defense. So in a better executed version of that, Barnes gets a wide-open three created by Wemby's penetration and OKC becomes that much more reluctant to send help.

If this is the plan, you can see why the Spurs have placed so much emphasis on trying to deter teams from cross-guarding. That plan to iso Wemby on the perimeter really doesn't work well against a forward who's competent at defense. But as mentioned a bunch recently, Sochan isn't going to force the switch. That's why I'm sort of wondering why the Spurs aren't trying to run 4/5 and 5/4 PnRs between Sochan and Wembanyama to encourage the opponent to switch back. If they go over the screen, you get the crack of daylight for a drive. If they go under, you can just rescreen or shoot. If they switch, then you have the matchup you want. If they pull a Brooks and just pull the screener out of the way to stay with their man, then you complain to the refs because that 's a foul.

My preferred adjustment is to not have Wemby on the ball and build around him being a screener. However, if you're going to both have Wemby on the perimeter and also play him at center, then you're going to have to be much more creative in how you help him get better touches more consistently. It's okay to try stuff and have that stuff fail. But you have to be willing to actual try those things.

[Pauleta14]

FOURTY YEARS OLD HOFer Chris Paul and 32 YO vet Harrison Barnes have entered the chat…

FIFY

[J_Paco]

Sorry. Two new starters makes a huge difference. We would legit be 0-5 without those two new players. Sometimes, it’s about quality, not quan y. Adding them was a sea change, not just two new roster guys.

Plus adding another top 5 lottery pick, but some folks unrealistically expect roster turnover to be immediate.

That won't/can't happen with guaranteed contracts & trying to keep most of your draft capital.

[Pauleta14]

Sorry. Two new starters makes a huge difference. We would legit be 0-5 without those two new players. Sometimes, it’s about quality, not quan y. Adding them was a sea change, not just two new roster guys.

Of course they're an important additon but let's not act as if Cp3 will look as good vs top teams than vs the Jazz

Overall 2 vets won't move the needle, it just compensates what should've been available to Wemby last season for his development.

It's the elephant in the room effect. It's an obvious tanking season to me

[exstatic]

FIFY

So? They’re miles better than the younger Cedi and Barlow that they replaced. No one thinks they’re the future, but they are a MAJOR POSITIVE CHANGE to this roster. We would be 0-5 r/n without them.

[Pauleta14]

So? They’re miles better than the younger Cedi and Barlow that they replaced. No one thinks they’re the future, but they are a MAJOR POSITIVE CHANGE to this roster. We would be 0-5 r/n without them.

Yes I agree on every point u made, all I said was that PATFO brought the same roster that showed absurd BBIQ, playmaking, passing and shooting limitations ALL SEASON LONG

Those guys, that even according to local medias, the staff were stunned by their limitations, are still here with a lot of playing time. It's just a fact.

To me it's not a sign of "winning now" contrary to what Pop said (he said the same a year ago btw. No idea why we even take his words seriously)

Look, I'm guilty as much as anyone to have thought that maybe we'd be ambitious this season, but we're fans, that's what we do.

PATFO is 10000% soft tanking this season

[MannyIsGod]

Here you go, Manny.

None of them say that Wemby isn't great, they say he shouldn't be facing up at the 3 point line against guards which is 100% right. Did you watch it?

[MannyIsGod]

I wonder if Pop is trying to get Wemby out of the perimeter to protect his handle? That might sound weird, because you have to dribble more to get to the basket. However, spacing is better the farther out you go and Wemby doesn't need many step (and thus dribbles) to get into the paint. So if Wemby can pull a center out to the three-point line and then get around him, it's probably one dribble until he's in scoring position. We saw someone like that against Chet in that sequence surrounding the still someone posted after the OKC game. Basically, Wemby took the board, brought the ball past half-court with Chet on him, and drove past Chet. OKC doubled (they didn't triple or quadruple him like some suggested). The normal way to respond to that would be to pass to Branham and start the wing to Barnes. However, with Wemby's height, he should have no problem throwing the skip pass directly to Barnes over the head of the defense. So in a better executed version of that, Barnes gets a wide-open three created by Wemby's penetration and OKC becomes that much more reluctant to send help.

If this is the plan, you can see why the Spurs have placed so much emphasis on trying to deter teams from cross-guarding. That plan to iso Wemby on the perimeter really doesn't work well against a forward who's competent at defense. But as mentioned a bunch recently, Sochan isn't going to force the switch. That's why I'm sort of wondering why the Spurs aren't trying to run 4/5 and 5/4 PnRs between Sochan and Wembanyama to encourage the opponent to switch back. If they go over the screen, you get the crack of daylight for a drive. If they go under, you can just rescreen or shoot. If they switch, then you have the matchup you want. If they pull a Brooks and just pull the screener out of the way to stay with their man, then you complain to the refs because that 's a foul.

My preferred adjustment is to not have Wemby on the ball and build around him being a screener. However, if you're going to both have Wemby on the perimeter and also play him at center, then you're going to have to be much more creative in how you help him get better touches more consistently. It's okay to try stuff and have that stuff fail. But you have to be willing to actual try those things.

I have no idea why our offense isn't built around screens that free Wemby for mid range jumpers he can feast on. It would open so much for this team.

[Chinook]

I have no idea why our offense isn't built around screens that free Wemby for mid range jumpers he can feast on. It would open so much for this team.

That would be much easier to achieve in a two-big lineup (a big reason why we saw it so much during the pre-season in 2023 and early season but didn't see it much going forward), but it's still worth trying with Sochan, Barnes and Johnson all being big enough to set legit screens. But that would encourage Wemby to be an off-ball player ala Belinelli, and that's not in the cards apparently.

[polandprzem]

Wemby is on 160 place in NBA in 3pt%

To improve that gonna be easy

[Brazil]

Wemby is on 160 place in NBA in 3pt%

To improve that gonna be easy

[RC_Drunkford]