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As a top 3 pick if he doesn’t pan out you’re in a wiseman situation where it takes Detroit level stupidity to move him. Makes me nervous.
Just watch, DET is gonna land the first pick and select this guy.
Why not select another C who can’t play along with the one we have? It’s works out so well for us with the PG position! While we’re at it let’s extend Wiseman too!
Classic Detroit move
As a top 3 pick if he doesn’t pan out you’re in a wiseman situation where it takes Detroit level stupidity to move him. Makes me nervous.
This draft seems better for point guards so they probably should focus there. If Sarr was the obvious BPA then that's one thing. But I don't think he is universally considered that.
The problem is that he's the most likely player to pan out.
Worst case scenario he's a switchable defensive big with no offensive game and a parennial backup for Wemby.
Meanwhile, noone else that's projected in top10 mocks is guaranteed to even be an NBA player after their rookie deal.
All of them have fundamental flaws and legitimate concerns.
Wings are either unathletic or can't shoot. Guards either lack size or basketball IQ. Athletic ones can't shoot.
Prime example of why domestic basketball development system needs a complete overhaul.
Instead of forcing athletic kids to work on their feel for the game and shooting ability, they just let them on less gifted peers and then NBA teams are stuck with fundamentally flawed players.
I'm sure at least a couple of top10 picks will turn out to be great, but with our recent drafting record, I have zero trust in Brian Wright to make the right choice.
With Sarr backing up Vic, you're guaranteed rim protection and a lob threat throughout the whole game. Can they play together for the Twin Towers 2.0? If a Tim/DRob version probably wouldn't work today, Vic and Sarr are both mobile enough to share the court as a dynamic big duo, I believe with Vic as your 4, playing more on the perimeter on offense..
Sarr will have to bulk up, but I take him over Zollins, Barlow or Bassey anyday to pair with Wemby.... Would be fun to watch a 7 footers pnr with Vic throwing lobs at Sarr
Cody Williams is such a tough eval.
He's been hurt a bunch and his playing time is sporadic, so there's limited sample size and you have to wonder if he's been anywhere close to 100% while he has been playing. When he's out there, he's invisible for long stretches. By the same token, he's playing on a team where he's not the featured playmaker and it's good that he doesn't force things. His 3 point shooting percentage is good on not very many attempts and his free throw shooting doesn't project as well to his being a three point threat at the next level. Is this guy even a draft pick if not for his brother? Then again, if that's the comparison he's got better numbers than his brother at the same age in a better conference on a better team and he's 2-3 inches taller.
What the do you do with all of that?
Jalen said he was a late bloomer and scrawny at Cody’s age (I haven’t seen any pics of Jalen at 18 to confirm), but if he physically turns into a 6’9” JDub body player and has half of JDub’s gifts that will be an incredible player. I am on the side of genetics. Look at Pau and Marc Gasol for example. Different but both great.
OMG. Mobility doesn’t make you an NBA player. Skills and fundamentals do. Luka Doncic is fat, and nearly immobile. Jokic, too. They pretty much rule the NBA.
True.
Does Sarr look like a big with no fundamentals to you? He's go no jumpshot, but his big man fundamentals are fine.Skills and fundamentals do.
They don't have vertical athleticism, but thinking that they'rre not athletic is hillarious.Luka Doncic is fat, and nearly immobile. Jokic, too. They pretty much rule the NBA.
On the human scale, yes they are athletic, but by NBA standards, they’d be placed FAR on the left side of the bell curve. Matt Bonner,in retirement, could probably out jump and out sprint both.
Oh, and Sarr does look like he lacks fundamentals. Not surprising from a youngster. He may develop, he may not.
It only took about 20 games for people to realize Wemby was a waste at PF. If Wemby can't play PF, Sarr won't either. People need to stop living in the past and realize that these type of players are centers only in today's NBA. At least, if you want to maximize their potential.
It's a crap shoot
Probably even more difficult than ever before given the young age
I love going back and looking at Draft Grades form the past
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...liers/2465505/
I love going back and looking at the final mock drafts: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...ngham-at-no-1/
They got the stroke it part right.
He's been better at center (in defense mainly but Wemby can play PF, and wasn't a "waste" at that position. He was still doing well, the most dramatic change was to give him a real PG. And C is just his position on the stat sheet. Anyone watching him play can say he's not playing like a traditional C on offense, but more like a C/wingman combo, which what 4s are about. No traditional center is driving or taking 3s off the dribble like Victor does (he created his own position actually, he plays Wemby).
And yes, Sarr can play PF, and will in the NBA, specially if he can develop his offensive game. Having two shot blockers who can defend the perimeter (specially Alex), can be usefull in certain situations, to defend guys like Embiid or Jokic for example, the spurs badly struggled against this year (I know, they struggled agasint everyone
Not saying it's a full time solution but if you ask me if I prefer Sarr or Sochan next to Wemby? Dude. Anybody can score on sochan in the paint. And again, as a back up, give me Sarr any day, anyway.
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I agree on the principle regarding 2RPs but not in Tre Jones’s case.
ive been waiting to have an opinion about him, had a lot of doubts and what imo happened to be correlations rather than causation lead to think Tre was a real +
Hes just not and he’s becoming a handicap in the perspective of Wemby’s development. How coul it not be a massive issue when he’s incapable of passing the ball to the most important player…?
go check the numbers guys, Devin has passed him as Victor’s primary assist partner all while having less games, not being a PG or a known playmaker…
I get it there are so many issues with the roster Tre looks like the least of it, but in reality he’s one of the main bc he has the ball in his hands a lot.
The idea of keeping Tre Jones (I know, very realistic considering how Pop loves him) is depressing to me
and handling the ball
Jokic and Embiid don't play like traditional centers either but nobody would say they are anything other than centers. Playing the center position for these guys isn't about how they play the position, but rather about how the guys around them operate. Sure, Wemby might be driving it to the hoop like a wing, but there's a difference between driving it to an open lane vs driving it to a contested one because you have a stiff clogging up the space.He's been better at center (in defense mainly but Wemby can play PF, and wasn't a "waste" at that position. He was still doing well, the most dramatic change was to give him a real PG. And C is just his position on the stat sheet. Anyone watching him play can say he's not playing like a traditional C on offense, but more like a C/wingman combo, which what 4s are about. No traditional center is driving or taking 3s off the dribble like Victor does (he created his own position actually, he plays Wemby).
And yes, Sarr can play PF, and will in the NBA, specially if he can develop his offensive game. Having two shot blockers who can defend the perimeter (specially Alex), can be usefull in certain situations, to defend guys like Embiid or Jokic for example, the spurs badly struggled against this year (I know, they struggled agasint everyone
Not saying it's a full time solution but if you ask me if I prefer Sarr or Sochan next to Wemby? Dude. Anybody can score on sochan in the paint. And again, as a back up, give me Sarr any day, anyway.
I really thought this discussion was over after those first awful 20 games, but I guess some people are slow learners. Can Wemby do well at PF? Sure, he is too talented not to. Would he do as well as he can at that position? Definitely not. The only way to maximize Wemby's full potential is to play him at center, with no other bigman getting in his way. This shouldn't even be a topic of discussion anymore.
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Who said Sarr hadn't fundamentals or skills? He's not projected top 3 just out of mobility... And not sure using two of the most skilled, talented players in history is proving any point as far as needing atleticsim and mobility in the NBA is concerned. These players are rare for a reason and get away with things most NBA players can't.
They’re projected top three because no one else is inspiring enough to take that le over them. You’re acting like being projected top 3 sets their future in stone. There are plenty of busts in that range historically, and it’s not abnormal to call uninspiring players what they are. I’ve watched Sarr and the guy has low basketball IQ. A few highlights where he’s keeping up with smaller players doesn’t mean he’s a full-time PF. It means he was switched on those guys and he was successful enough to be on a few highlights. I don’t know how you can call this roster out for its low basketball IQ and then praise Sarr in the next post.
Is there a way to morph Tyler Kolek's smarts and skills into Sarr's body? That's what we need.
Short of that, my highest aspiration is to be pleasantly surprised by one of our picks in this draft. Might be a year to trade some/all picks.
After his game against Marquette I'm higher than ever on Cody Williams
He has EVERTHING you can wish from an NBA prospect, the size, wingspan, mobility, he can shoot and can defend multiple positions.
He's the exact profile Spurs need long term
Stats don't tell the whole story, he's been injured and bc of his age has a lot of ups and downs.
I know it's subjective but having a brother not only in NBA but known for his maturity and BBIQ can't not benefit him as well.
In a draft with no sure prospect, I'd bet on what can't be tought (size, wingpan, IQ, character...)
There's a difference between "can" and "is", imo and after watching with the french youth nt he's a center. Offcourse he can play pf but that's not his natural position, having him and wemby will work in some contexts, both can shoot, switch and protect the paint but it's not ideal imo.He's been better at center (in defense mainly but Wemby can play PF, and wasn't a "waste" at that position. He was still doing well, the most dramatic change was to give him a real PG. And C is just his position on the stat sheet. Anyone watching him play can say he's not playing like a traditional C on offense, but more like a C/wingman combo, which what 4s are about. No traditional center is driving or taking 3s off the dribble like Victor does (he created his own position actually, he plays Wemby).
And yes, Sarr can play PF, and will in the NBA, specially if he can develop his offensive game. Having two shot blockers who can defend the perimeter (specially Alex), can be usefull in certain situations, to defend guys like Embiid or Jokic for example, the spurs badly struggled against this year (I know, they struggled agasint everyone
Not saying it's a full time solution but if you ask me if I prefer Sarr or Sochan next to Wemby? Dude. Anybody can score on sochan in the paint. And again, as a back up, give me Sarr any day, anyway.
It would be interesting to see the pairing of wemby and gobert this summer, fiba is different but we'll see if they play some small ball lineups for examples, how they handle it.
The sibling thing often doesn't work out. I doubt anyone remembers Derrick Gervin but he played at UTSA if I remember correctly and he was not anywhere near the level of his brother, who goes by George or something like that.
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