religion of peace again

[spurraider21]

So all this stuff about.....Muslims kill those infidels, those they can't convert......never happened?

that's what i'm asking you.

you've known several muslims in your life. do you know if they killed other non-muslims for that reason?

[spurraider21]

Here's a good one.

How does sharia law view religious conversion?

Conversion by Muslims to other faiths is forbidden under most interpretations of sharia and converts are considered apostates (non-Muslims, however, are allowed to convert into Islam). Some Muslim clerics equate this apostasy to treason, a crime punishable by death. The legal precedent stretches back to the seventh century when Prophet Mohammed ordered a Muslim man to death who joined the enemies of Islam at a time of war. However, because apostasy is not a crime under the criminal codes of Muslim states, generally the murtad (apostate) is not subject to any criminal sanction. “The Quran contains a provision that says ‘he who has embraced Islam and then abandons it will receive punishment in after Judgment Day,” says M. Cherif Bassiouni, an expert on Islamic law at DePaul University College of Law, and therefore there is no punishment on earth. But traditional scholars, in Bassiouni’s opinion, misinterpreted early practices of the Prophet Mohammed and consider apostasy a crime punishable by death. They give religious converts a grace period of up to ten days to reconsider their decision before the judgment is entered.

so if you leave the islam faith you will be punished by the afterlife that you no longer believe in. that's a fair deal

[spurraider21]

[Sir Johnny]

that's what i'm asking you.

you've known several muslims in your life. do you know if they killed other non-muslims for that reason?

I really don't know, they might have.

I do know Mohammad killed those he couldn't convert.

[spurraider21]

I really don't know, they might have.

you might have. how could we ever know?

[Sir Johnny]

so if you leave the islam faith you will be punished by the afterlife that you no longer believe in. that's a fair deal

Why ignore....

Some Muslim clerics equate this apostasy to treason, a crime punishable by death.

[Sir Johnny]

you might have. how could we ever know?

So you don't believe anyone has been killed because of Islam, right?

[spurraider21]

So you don't believe anyone has been killed because of Islam, right?

im sure many people have been killed because of religious fundamentalism. islam is by no means an exception.

[spurraider21]

Why ignore....

Some Muslim clerics equate this apostasy to treason, a crime punishable by death.

and i think that's terrible. im against religious fundamentalism at any level

with that being said, i'm not worried about that happening here, because we have a first amendment and separation of church and state. which i think we should always emphasize and stay true to

[Pavlov]

So you don't believe anyone has been killed because of Islam, right?

When did they kill you?

[Sir Johnny]

im sure many people have been killed because of religious fundamentalism. islam is by no means an exception.

So you see Islam as being no more violent than any other religion, right?

[Sir Johnny]

and i think that's terrible. im against religious fundamentalism at any level

with that being said, i'm not worried about that happening here, because we have a first amendment and separation of church and state. which i think we should always emphasize and stay true to

So simply lay off Islam, it's not a problem, right?

[spurraider21]

So you see Islam as being no more violent than any other religion, right?

inherently, i dont think it's any more violent.

in practice, i think islamic fundamentalism poses a greater threat of violence in the present day depending on where you live. here in the states, not so much, no. i think here in the states christian zealots pose a greater threat, not because of violence, but because of their strong impact in government, where they constantly try to insert their religious beliefs into legislation.

[Sir Johnny]

When did they kill you?

That was stupid.

Do drunk drivers kill people, I guess not since I'm still alive.

Pavlov, hahaha~~~~~

[spurraider21]

That was stupid.

Do drunk drivers kill people, I guess not since I'm still alive.

Pavlov, hahaha~~~~~

they're supposed to kill all non-believers. you have met them. they knew that you were a non-believer. you wouldn't be some random victim like a victim from a DUI accident.

[Pavlov]

That was stupid.

Do drunk drivers kill people, I guess not since I'm still alive.

Pavlov, hahaha~~~~~

I've been involved in a couple accidents where the other driver was drunk.

How many times have Muslims tried to kill you in whatever central CA hole you live?

[Sir Johnny]

inherently, i dont think it's any more violent.

in practice, i think islamic fundamentalism poses a greater threat of violence in the present day depending on where you live. here in the states, not so much, no. i think here in the states christian zealots pose a greater threat, not because of violence, but because of their strong impact in government, where they constantly try to insert their religious beliefs into legislation.

Then there is reality....

Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill. However, the real threat comes from successive generations of Muslims living in the West, which have proven to be more radical and more dangerous (overall) than their parents. Muslim migration thus means that more Americans will die. The benefits that offset this reality are not entirely clear.

For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil since 1972, here’s what we came up with:

Date	Country	City	Killed	Injured	Description
2019.01.07	USA	Fountain Hills, AZ	0	1	A 'lone wolf' ISIS loyalist stabs a police officer.
2018.03.21	USA	Travis AFB, CA	0	0	A suicide bomber rams the gate at an Air Force base, but kills only himself.
2018.03.12	USA	Palm Beach Gardens, FL	1	2	A recent convert to Islam stabs three people over his religion, including two 13-year-olds.
2018.02.07	USA	Tahlequah, OK	0	1	A Muslim yelling 'Allah' stabs a non-Muslim following an argument over religion.
2018.01.30	USA	Greenville, SC	0	1	A bomb left on a road by a 'radicalized' conve

The list goes on and on and on and on..............................

[spurraider21]

Then there is reality....

Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill. However, the real threat comes from successive generations of Muslims living in the West, which have proven to be more radical and more dangerous (overall) than their parents. Muslim migration thus means that more Americans will die. The benefits that offset this reality are not entirely clear.

For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil since 1972, here’s what we came up with:

Date	Country	City	Killed	Injured	Description
2019.01.07	USA	Fountain Hills, AZ	0	1	A 'lone wolf' ISIS loyalist stabs a police officer.
2018.03.21	USA	Travis AFB, CA	0	0	A suicide bomber rams the gate at an Air Force base, but kills only himself.
2018.03.12	USA	Palm Beach Gardens, FL	1	2	A recent convert to Islam stabs three people over his religion, including two 13-year-olds.
2018.02.07	USA	Tahlequah, OK	0	1	A Muslim yelling 'Allah' stabs a non-Muslim following an argument over religion.
2018.01.30	USA	Greenville, SC	0	1	A bomb left on a road by a 'radicalized' conve

The list goes on and on and on and on..............................

so 1 death in america in the last 1.5 years from islamic terrorism?

and this is from a website that describes itself as follows:

TROP is a non-partisan, fact-based site which examines the ideological threat that Islam poses to human dignity and freedom.

[Sir Johnny]

they're supposed to kill all non-believers. you have met them. they knew that you were a non-believer. you wouldn't be some random victim like a victim from a DUI accident.

Like I mentioned, we never talked about religion.

If they had brought it up and I'd said...."What is with all this violence, that Mohammad was a murderous tyrant"......hmmmm?

[Sir Johnny]

so 1 death in america in the last 1.5 years from islamic terrorism?

Did you miss that list is a mile long? It goes on and on and on as I said.

[Sir Johnny]

I've been involved in a couple accidents where the other driver was drunk.

How many times have Muslims tried to kill you in whatever central CA hole you live?

Dude, are you saying no Muslims don't look to kill non believers?

[spurraider21]

Did you miss that list is a mile long? It goes on and on and on as I said.

did you miss that on that list, it shows that in the last year and a half, there has only been 1 death in america from islamic terrorism?

[Pavlov]

Then there is reality....

Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill.

So have Americans.

What's your point?

[Pavlov]

Dude, are you saying no Muslims don't look to kill non believers?

I'm saying no Muslims have ever tried to kill you.

Ever.

So why so afraid?

[Sir Johnny]

did you miss that on that list, it shows that in the last year and a half, there has only been 1 death in america from islamic terrorism?

I should have posted the whole list, it was just a long read because there has been that much Islamic violence here in America.