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    instead of predigested takes in tweets, help yourself to the actual Manafort sentencing doc here:

    https://assets.do entcloud.org/doc...g-USA-Main.pdf


    Not directed at you wine but lol

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    How many pages were redacted?

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    How many pages were redacted?
    800 or so

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    "pretty dry except for the Harry Potter book sized portion we have no idea about"

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    Not directed at you wine but lol
    I agree that asking for a sentence of up to 46 years would be going in "fairly dry."

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    instead of predigested takes in tweets, help yourself to the actual Manafort sentencing doc here:

    https://assets.do entcloud.org/doc...g-USA-Main.pdf
    2) Manafort’s interactions with Kilimnik from 2016 to 2018: Mueller’s team said that between 2016 and 2018, Manafort had a series of interactions with Kilimnik regarding a supposed “peace plan” for Ukraine, and that Manafort shared Trump campaign polling data with Kilimnik in 2016. Many of these details are redacted (and we only know it’s about polling data because of a redaction error by Manafort’s lawyers), but Mueller accused Manafort of lying about what happened, and Judge Jackson agreed.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/2/23/182361...g-trump-russia

    Seems like your campaign manager sharing data with Russian intelligence would fit any reasonable definition of "collusion".

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    my information is easily checked, I post all my links
    He was referring to your assertion that he was unconcerned about criminality other than Russian-related, not that your links were accurate. Read the post he quoted, the context is a bit clearer.

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    “Manafort committed an array of felonies for over a decade, up through the fall of 2018,” the memo says. “Manafort chose repeatedly and knowingly to violate the law -- whether the laws proscribed garden-variety crimes such as tax fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and bank fraud, or more esoteric laws that he nevertheless was intimately familiar with, such as the Foreign Agents Registration Act.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mue...y-violated-law

    Your president's campaign manager.

    Why are hardened criminals attracted to the Trump presidency?

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mue...y-violated-law

    Your president's campaign manager.

    Why are hardened criminals attracted to the Trump presidency?
    Ask Thomas Barrack.

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    Ask Thomas Barrack.
    Trump hired Manafort.

    Why?

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    Trump hired Manafort.

    Why?
    Pootin told him Manafort was well connected to Russia via Ukraine

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    He was referring to your assertion that he was unconcerned about criminality other than Russian-related, not that your links were accurate. Read the post he quoted, the context is a bit clearer.
    His post was clear, but the trend of posting tells another story. Tell me all you want about what you think you're doing, I'll decide based on what you actually do.

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    https://www.vox.com/2019/2/23/182361...g-trump-russia

    Seems like your campaign manager sharing data with Russian intelligence would fit any reasonable definition of "collusion".
    Very collusion-y, I agree. I've said so before. You seem to have mistaken me for some other poster.

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    Your president's campaign manager is a "hardened criminal"

    Why are hardened criminals attracted to the Trump presidency?
    Ask Thomas Barrack.
    I'm not asking Thomas Barrack.

    I am asking you. Why are so many greedy criminals attracted to Trump's administration?

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    Very collusion-y, I agree. I've said so before. You seem to have mistaken me for some other poster.
    Sorry post was ambiguous. Was merely meant to be informative, not combative at all. That bit to me looks an awful lot like active, conscious collusion with a hostile power. I wanted to draw your attention to it, if you weren't aware of it, as it seemed important.

    We only know a fraction of what Mueller does at this point, but the hints here and there are starting to paint a very nasty picture.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 02-24-2019 at 09:59 AM. Reason: run on sentences are bad. Bad bad bad.

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    In plain view - there was plenty of collusion - but collusion is not defined legally as a crime - this is why Comrade TSA - always returns to this "no collusion" talking point given by mother Russia and Trump.

    Conspiracy to defraud the USA has already been established - just based on PUBLIC- PLAIN VIEW - IN YOUR FACE - evidence.

    I have already posted that many times - so have others.

    Mueller making it official is what everyone is waiting for - there can be no other result - since we have already seen it with our own eyes -

    unless you do not believe your lying eyes.

    Trump writing a false statement on adoptions proves Trump was actively involved.
    Trump obstructing an investigation in plain sight - establishes his other crime.

    The fact that Trump has not testified under oath - makes this unsatisfactory.

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    His post was clear, but the trend of posting tells another story. Tell me all you want about what you think you're doing, I'll decide based on what you actually do.
    Ah. Understood then.

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    In plain view - there was plenty of collusion - but collusion is not defined legally as a crime - this is why Comrade TSA - always returns to this "no collusion" talking point given by mother Russia and Trump.

    Conspiracy to defraud the USA has already been established - just based on PUBLIC- PLAIN VIEW - IN YOUR FACE - evidence.

    I have already posted that many times - so have others.

    Mueller making it official is what everyone is waiting for - there can be no other result - since we have already seen it with our own eyes -

    unless you do not believe your lying eyes.

    Trump writing a false statement on adoptions proves Trump was actively involved.
    Trump obstructing an investigation in plain sight - establishes his other crime.

    The fact that Trump has not testified under oath - makes this unsatisfactory.
    Eyup.

    That will be the final resting place for the goalposts, because there is no where else to go.

    First it was "there weren't any meetings'
    Then it was "there were meetings but they didn't do anything"
    Now it is "the meetings weren't criminal"

    Trump will not testify under oath to anything. He will lie, and get caught lying. He lies so much as a force of habit, there is no other possible outcome to that other than perjury.

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    He was referring to your assertion that he was unconcerned about criminality other than Russian-related, not that your links were accurate. Read the post he quoted, the context is a bit clearer.
    Of course you are correct -

    comrade Whinehole - just dismisses all my posts where I called Trump a piece of for defending the Saudi murderers because they paid trump money and made sure that Cuckners 666 bldg was rescued with BILLIONS in funneled funds $$$$


    Just so happens that the Russians actually conspired with Trump to betray the USA - so that remains the focus.

    But whinehole is mad because I called out his constant semen-shielding of criminal Trump.

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    Yet you can't cite a single post where I actually did so.

    The reason that is is because what I attacked was your interpretation of certain facts as legal certainties, when in fact the legal outcomes are far from certain.

    I attacked you for overreading the facts, not the underlying facts themselves, and in your stubbornness you took that as defense of Trump.

    Fact remains you can't produce a single post where I defended Trump. That's just what you call it when I challenge something you said.

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    Also, if you look anywhere outside this thread, it puts the lie to your hypothesis.

    I give Trump and his followers a mile of daily.

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    House Democrats will subpoena Mueller if report is not made public, Schiff says

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...nl_most&wpmm=1

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    mueller pls

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    mueller pls
    What do you think is in the redacted pages?

    Pizza?

    Susan Rice?

    Silsby?

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    Just spitballing here, if there were particularly damning info in the sentencing doc related to conspiracy with a foreign power or obstruction, such as might touch POTUS, his family or other high US officials, it would be probable that ALL that information would be redacted for reasons of national security.

    Two possible NATSEC rationales: stability/continuity of government, and to avoid tipping off foreign powers as to sources and methods. It were well to keep in mind that related to the counter-intelligence origin of the investigation, anything and everything available to the Five Eyes might be available to Mueller.

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