Spurs trade ideas

[RC_Drunkford]

NAW and Jake round this roster out nicely.

Fox/Harper
Castle/NAW
LaRavia/Champ
KD/Sochan
Wemby/Okongwu

Not sure how that all looks cap wise… but that’s a nice team right there.

I think we could get one, not both. NAW probably costs the whole 14.1 MLE which the Lakers will offer him too. LaRavia probably about 10 million. You can only choose one, unless we do another sign-and-trade which seems unlikely. Still a great roster.

[Chinook]

People really want the Spurs to play big and slow, and I think that's the opposite of what they will or should do.

With the talk of the Suns needing a center and the Spurs supposedly talking to the Hawks, I wonder if something like this is viable:

Spurs Receive: Durant, 22

Hawks Receive: Vassell, Barnes, 14, 38. the extinguishment of the 2026 swap, the right to swap whatever pick they get in 2027 with ATL27. two future seconds (2026 and 2028)

Suns Receive: Jalen Johnson, Okongwu

Spurs get Durant and keep the same number of firsts they already had

Hawks get a local kid at a position of need and control of their picks back

Suns get a center and a replacement forward with good potential

[exstatic]

People really want the Spurs to play big and slow, and I think that's the opposite of what they will or should do.

With the talk of the Suns needing a center and the Spurs supposedly talking to the Hawks, I wonder if something like this is viable:

Spurs Receive: Durant, 22

Hawks Receive: Vassell, Barnes, 14, 38. the extinguishment of the 2026 swap, the right to swap whatever pick they get in 2027 with ATL27. two future seconds (2026 and 2028)

Suns Receive: Jalen Johnson, Okongwu

Spurs get Durant and keep the same number of firsts they already had

Hawks get a local kid at a position of need and control of their picks back

Suns get a center and a replacement forward with good potential

Seems like we’re spending a lot of picks and swaps to make PHO better instead of flipping #14 plus salary. PHO is in a terrible spot, with Durant wanting SA, and had allegedly dropped his price sharply already. No need to overly complicate things.

[Chinook]

Seems like we’re spending a lot of picks and swaps to make PHO better instead of flipping #14 plus salary. PHO is in a terrible spot, with Durant wanting SA, and had allegedly dropped his price sharply already. No need to overly complicate things.

I don't disagree that his value dropped a lot. But it was extremely high before. 14 may be enough, but it's still within the range where it can be outbid. In this scenario the Spurs are maintaining their ability to make future deals at the expense of some of the upside of their 2025-2027 firsts.

I don't think the Spurs are overpaying. If anything, I'd more question if the Spurs should just cut the Suns out and take Johnson/Okongwu themselves.

[exstatic]

I don't disagree that his value dropped a lot. But it was extremely high before. 14 may be enough, but it's still within the range where it can be outbid. In this scenario the Spurs are maintaining their ability to make future deals at the expense of some of the upside of their 2025-2027 firsts.

I don't think the Spurs are overpaying. If anything, I'd more question if the Spurs should just cut the Suns out and take Johnson/Okongwu themselves.

There’s no bidding war if he wants to come here.

[pad300]

People really want the Spurs to play big and slow, and I think that's the opposite of what they will or should do.

With the talk of the Suns needing a center and the Spurs supposedly talking to the Hawks, I wonder if something like this is viable:

Spurs Receive: Durant, 22

Hawks Receive: Vassell, Barnes, 14, 38. the extinguishment of the 2026 swap, the right to swap whatever pick they get in 2027 with ATL27. two future seconds (2026 and 2028)

Suns Receive: Jalen Johnson, Okongwu

Spurs get Durant and keep the same number of firsts they already had

Hawks get a local kid at a position of need and control of their picks back

Suns get a center and a replacement forward with good potential

1) I don't think Hawks are selling Jalen at that price.
2) If they are, why don't we just cut out the Suns? Jalen + Okongwu +22 > Durant, IMO

[mo7888]

1) I don't think Hawks are selling Jalen at that price.
2) If they are, why don't we just cut out the Suns? Jalen + Okongwu +22 > Durant, IMO

There's a world where Atl plans to move Trae for picks somewhere and bottom out and start over. In that world moving Jalen and Okongwu to get their swap + the 2027 pick back looks enticing for them. I do think in the proposed deal that we'd get either Jalen or Okongwu along with KD though.

[scott]

People really want the Spurs to play big and slow, and I think that's the opposite of what they will or should do.

With the talk of the Suns needing a center and the Spurs supposedly talking to the Hawks, I wonder if something like this is viable:

Spurs Receive: Durant, 22

Hawks Receive: Vassell, Barnes, 14, 38. the extinguishment of the 2026 swap, the right to swap whatever pick they get in 2027 with ATL27. two future seconds (2026 and 2028)

Suns Receive: Jalen Johnson, Okongwu

Spurs get Durant and keep the same number of firsts they already had

Hawks get a local kid at a position of need and control of their picks back

Suns get a center and a replacement forward with good potential

I like this a lot for us... but seems like the Hawks are getting the major short end of the stick here. Maybe one more FRP for them? Or maybe I'm just rating Jalen Johnson too high.

[Chinook]

There’s no bidding war if he wants to come here.

Players can want more than one thing. Lillard wanted Miami. He didn't get it.

[vy65]

Players can want more than one thing. Lillard wanted Miami. He didn't get it.

Lillard wasn't on an expiring last year.

[RC_Drunkford]

People really want the Spurs to play big and slow, and I think that's the opposite of what they will or should do.

With the talk of the Suns needing a center and the Spurs supposedly talking to the Hawks, I wonder if something like this is viable:

Spurs Receive: Durant, 22

Hawks Receive: Vassell, Barnes, 14, 38. the extinguishment of the 2026 swap, the right to swap whatever pick they get in 2027 with ATL27. two future seconds (2026 and 2028)

Suns Receive: Jalen Johnson, Okongwu

Spurs get Durant and keep the same number of firsts they already had

Hawks get a local kid at a position of need and control of their picks back

Suns get a center and a replacement forward with good potential

Nobody is offering the Suns a Jalen Johnson caliber player. If he was on the table the Spurs should get him. He's locked into a 30 million per year contract for the next 5 season. This would be a massive overpay.

Reports are already out from insiders of this situation that the deal is something around Vassel, Barnes and #14. Not more. Plus KD wants to come to the Spurs.

Suns: Vassell, Barnes, #14

Hawks: Keldon, ATL 27

Spurs: KD, Okongwu, Lakers #22 from Hawks


something along this framework, depending on how much the Hawks value getting their own pick back.

Maybe the Spurs would try to route Okongwu to Phoenix to make the package somewhat more attractive, but I doubt it. At this point the Suns are basically trying to get rid of KD.

[spurraider21]

i cant fathom ATL moving Jalen Johnson

[R. DeMurre]

i cant fathom ATL moving Jalen Johnson

Me neither… he’s a young 19/10/5 guy who defends and is on a great long term contract… a lot of years, that would be the potential of the #1 pick.

[exstatic]

Players can want more than one thing. Lillard wanted Miami. He didn't get it.

Lillard didn’t have the leverage of an ending contract looming. He was two years into a six year deal. No team had to worry about him leaving anytime soon. A much better parallel would be Fox stating he wouldn’t extend with anyone but SA.

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree that his value dropped a lot. But it was extremely high before. 14 may be enough, but it's still within the range where it can be outbid. In this scenario the Spurs are maintaining their ability to make future deals at the expense of some of the upside of their 2025-2027 firsts.

I don't think the Spurs are overpaying. If anything, I'd more question if the Spurs should just cut the Suns out and take Johnson/Okongwu themselves.

Easily the latter. If SA is giving that up I without an ounce of hesitation take OO + JJ. If spurs got to keep pick 14 in your scenario I would be more inclined with KD. But at that point I’d rather go from 14 to 22 if it means getting JJ + OO

[exstatic]

Easily the latter. If SA is giving that up I without an ounce of hesitation take OO + JJ. If spurs got to keep pick 14 in your scenario I would be more inclined with KD. But at that point I’d rather go from 14 to 22 if it means getting JJ + OO

There isn’t even chatter about ATL shopping either Jalen or Okongwu, it’s just a message board fever dream. There is definite chatter about Durant being shopped, and preferring SA.

[DPG21920]

There isn’t even chatter about ATL shopping either Jalen or Okongwu, it’s just a message board fever dream. There is definite chatter about Durant being shopped, and preferring SA.

I know - was just discussing the hypothetical at hand. And there wasn’t chatter about Luka being shopped either. Things happen and ATL is a team clearly primed for shake up

[exstatic]

I know - was just discussing the hypothetical at hand. And there wasn’t chatter about Luka being shopped either. Things happen and ATL is a team clearly primed for shake up

I actually don’t want to give their picks back. Someone pointed out in another thread that if we get good REALLY fast by doing things like the Durant deal, which is only a short term thing, we could saddle ATL with a really ty mid to late 20s pick, making it impossible for them to improve in 26-27, and giving us a good shot at another lottery pick.

[Chinook]

I'm not saying the Hawks want to trade Johnson. But as Bruno mentioned, they were potentially willing to deal him to get their picks back. They have Daniels and Risacher and might love guys like Bryant, Cowherd and Fleming at 13/14. If they can get their future back, I could see the logic.

[Ariel]

I'm not saying the Hawks want to trade Johnson. But as Bruno mentioned, they were potentially willing to deal him to get their picks back.

You mean this?

What I've read on a Hawks board is that Spurs were interested in a Keldon + Barnes + Hawks picks back to Atlanta (with some protections) for Jalen Johnson. It was said that Spurs wanted to keep Vassell.

That's a far cry from Atlanta being willing to trade him for their picks back. I wish, but sounds unlikely unless catastrophe strikes, Memphis/NOLA style.

[Chinook]

You mean this?

That's a far cry from Atlanta being willing to trade him for their picks back. I wish, but sounds unlikely unless catastrophe strikes, Memphis/NOLA style.

I don't see the same difference you do. "Potentially willing" is an extremely low bar to clear, and if the Spurs are (according to these rumors) thinking they could protect the ATL picks, that implies they think the picks would be too much to give up without protections.

[Ariel]

I don't see the same difference you do. "Potentially willing" is an extremely low bar to clear, and if the Spurs are (according to these rumors) thinking they could protect the ATL picks, that implies they think the picks would be too much to give up without protections.

The post above speaks about Spurs being interested, nothing about Atlanta being willing to trade him. Technically you can argue any team is "potentially willing to deal" any given player under the right cir stances, but it's such a vague statement it's misleading (into thinking there's something to it when there's not).

[R. DeMurre]

So many of the "I hear there's interest" comments on message boards are just guys quoting other guys they themselves have read on other message boards.

[Chinook]

The post above speaks about Spurs being interested, nothing about Atlanta being willing to trade him. Technically you can argue any team is "potentially willing to deal" any given player under the right cir stances, but it's such a vague statement it's misleading (into thinking there's something to it when there's not).

I disagree. I think we all know we're talking about hypothetical scenarios, and if the Spurs are rumored to think they could protect the picks, that suggests they think the Hawks would be willing to deal him. Sort of like we don't know if the Suns will accept 14 for Durant but we're talking about it anyway.

[Chinook]

So many of the "I hear there's interest" comments on message boards are just guys quoting other guys they themselves have read on other message boards.

And that's fine on a thread when we're discussing trade ideas. None of the ideas we discuss have to be backed up even by that much.