Game Blog: Spurs vs Timberwolves 3/17/09

[Capt Bringdown]

Yeah, you're only about 15 pages late on that call.

Thanks, smart ass. I don't recall claiming it was an flash of new insight.

Go yourself, jackass.

[duncan228]

I'm hoping that whenever he finally can rest, this will be the end of the knee trouble for him.

Off season will help, but the tendonosis is degenerative, from what I've gathered it never goes away completely.

And the left knee is chronic, it's the one he had surgery on. Again, the summer rest will help, but I think he'll deal with knees the rest of his career. It will be a matter of severity.

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems to be.

[Thomas82]

Off season will help, but the tendonosis is degenerative, from what I've gathered it never goes away completely.

And the left knee is chronic, it's the one he had surgery on. Again, the summer rest will help, but I think he'll deal with knees the rest of his career. It will be a matter of severity.

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems to be.

If that's the case, hopefully the trouble with the knees will be kept to a minimum.

[Ice009]

I said a couple of pages ago that maybe Gooden sat because of his groin? Maybe he told Pop or the trainers at half time that his groin was bothering him so Pop decided to sit him.

That is pretty much the only excuse I will accept from Pop on why he didn't get anymore court time .

[tomtom]

wow props to oberto! veteran experience baby!

[duncan228]

Winning wall.

[ManuTP9]

glad we got the win

[Obstructed_View]

Did anyone ask Pop after the game why Gooden got so little burn, particularly with Duncan out?

[GSH]

Off season will help, but the tendonosis is degenerative, from what I've gathered it never goes away completely.

And the left knee is chronic, it's the one he had surgery on. Again, the summer rest will help, but I think he'll deal with knees the rest of his career. It will be a matter of severity.

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems to be.

I just learned something about tendinosis that I had never heard before. When a tendon is damaged, it takes around 100 days for the body to produce new collagen. I don't know how extensive Tim's tendinosis is, or how much healing is possible. But he's going to need the whole summer (if not longer) to find out.

Your assessment is pretty much on target. As long as he is playing basketball, the pain isn't going away. I had hoped that the damage was not very extensive, because of how quickly they brought him back. But if he is in as much pain as people say, it will probably be with him for the remainder of his career.

They are doing some promising work on new treatments involving stem cells, and shockwave therapy. There is also a treatment where they use an irritant to cause the body to "re-heal" the affected area of tendon, hopefully with normal collagen. They claim that many of the people who have been in trials have emerged pain-free. Unfortunately, this particular condition has attracted more than its share of quacks in recent years, so I don't know if any of the treatments, other than (future) stem-cell treatment, are real. I'm trying to find out for my own benefit, so if anybody else learns more I would be interested.

I found a good picture the shows the difference between normal tendon tissue, and the abnormally-healed tendon tissue present in tendinosis. You will understand why they call it "degenerative".


http://www.athleticadvisor.com/Injur...j/tendosis.htm

[duncan228]

I'm trying to find out for my own benefit, so if anybody else learns more I would be interested.

Thanks for the info. I'd also be interested in anything more people learn.

I think it will be with him for the rest of his career. He can play through pain, and he said he'll "manage and deal with it", but I'm concerned about how much it's going to impact his game.

[crc21209]

I'm guessing Pop is protecting Gooden from possibly reaggravating the injury, plus he wasn't doing so great out there so why play him. Fab and KT were holding the fort down. Plus Gooden is still learning the system little by little....we all saw what Gooden did against Houston so he should be fine.

[TampaDude]

The Spurs got the win. The Lakers lost. All in all, a good night.

[crc21209]

2 Big games coming up for the Spurs next, against Boston and Houston now....hopefully they can win both.

[Thomas82]

The Spurs got the win. The Lakers lost. All in all, a good night.

Even Boston lost tonight. Not a bad night at all.

[spurastic]

I'm just hoping that the tendinosis will not be career ending. Reading up on this conditon can be frightening. So I guess it depends of the severity of Tim's condition. I did read somewhere that ice packs and physical therapy can help to some degree.

tendinosis
The suffix "osis" implies a pathology of chronic degeneration without inflammation. Doctors prefer the term tendinosis for the kind of chronic tendon injuries that most of us have. The main problem for someone with tendinosis is failed healing, not inflammation; tendinosis is an ac ulation over time of microscopic injuries that don't heal properly. Although inflammation can be involved in the initial stages of the injury, it is the inability of the tendon to heal that perpetuates the pain and disability. Most of the pain associated with tendinosis probably comes not from inflammation but from other irritating biochemical substances associated with the injury (see The Pain of Tendinosis and Overuse Tendon Injuries: Where Does The Pain Come From? for more information).[42]

http://www.tendinosis.org/

[spurs girl21]

wow thats pretty cool that the spurs beat the timberwolves I missed that game.