Do you younger guys agree with this article?

[Vici]

Trying to insult those with menial jobs, I see. That quote right there provides an insight into your mentality as whole.

And what's funny is at this point the ditch-digger or custodian has more of a future than dumb kid who thought it'd be a novel idea to pay 100 grand for a Liberal Arts or Women's Studies degree.

You know I was just messing with ya. That post was very poorly written and you left yourself open...

But sure, look into that all you want. No way in I'd clean toilets. I have a very valuable skill set that pays very well. I happen to be lucky enough to have a company believe it as much as I do.

[TarantinoRezDog]

The phone plan maybe a bit too much (not really though), but I don't see the big deal with letting your kids age of the health plan. Assuming it was through one of the parents' jobs, it costs them next to nothing to keep her on the plan as long as possible, and it's probably a much better plan than whatever her entry level job provided.

I agree with the other parts though for the most part, but like CC said, if the kid is working to better his or herself through education/other means, giving him/her financial support isn't bad parenting.

My step sister is an example of parents ing up. Graduated from college (with some kind of cheese degree in writing that won't lead to anything without hard work/luck or additional education), doesn't make ANY effort to get her career in writing started (in spite of the fact she's actually been introduced to people who can get her a job), and lives at home while getting everything paid for as if she's still in high school.

There's more of these types going around than there are the kids who legitimately can't find work. Every 25 and younger kid I know, from nieces to nephews to cousins to family of friends who doesn't have a job is because they haven't looked for one. Of course they're college grads with some bull libart degree and think manning the blender at Orange Julius is beneath them. But they still figure into the "unemployment statistics."

Then they turn around and blame the influx of Cuban immigrants (I'm in Miami) for the lack of entry level jobs but at the same time call for open borders to keep up their liberal image, cause, you know, it's hip and cool to be liberal.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

True but your generation has cornered the market on trash, in every medium. Wasn't no Jersey Shore, Real Housewives Of..., Kardashian in my day. It's because your ADD, the epidemic illness of your generation, demands light entertainment that can be easily understood, digested, and forgotten. Any time I interview a youngster, I swear, you kids talk like you are stoned, stammering out words in one inarticulate blob, but the way you present yourself is largely unimportant because you expect to show me that piece of paper (degree) you overpaid for and get hired on the spot.

And 25% unemployment for 18-25 is NOT 25% for the whole country. How many of those 18 years olds polled do you think are still in high school? How many are still in college? And if you lazy, self-en led s would be willing to dig some ditches or clean some bathrooms, that number would no doubt drop.

But you want the plush salaried job the minute the dean hands you your Liberal Arts Degree. Ain't happening, bro.

Personification by pop culture as an excuse to designate their relative place. Whatever lets you sleep at night I guess.

And I agree completely that the DSM has become stupid as the basis for diagnosis but the medicating of children was not their work. They did not run nor take themselves through the ritalin turnstile. Quite frankly that entire industry disgusts me.

The unemployment rate only counts those that are seeking work. Not students etc not looking for work. 1 in 4 but MTV has the Jersey Shore on so thats cool i guess. Go clean toilets right?

[TarantinoRezDog]

Go clean toilets right?

Why not?

Think you're above it?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why not?

Think you're above it?

Oh my god that is such horse .

Have you ever applied for a janitorial job?

[TarantinoRezDog]

Oh my god that is such horse .

Have you ever applied for a janitorial job?

Answer a question with a question. Clever

No, I haven't, not because I wouldn't do the work, but because there were none available at that particular time I was working, so instead I found a job picking fruit in the beyond humid Florida weather and also worked for a Cuban landscaper doing the grunt work. 4 years of doing that, and whatta you know, got money for college!

What jobs have you done, Nancy Boy?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Answer a question with a question. Clever

No, I haven't, not because I wouldn't do the work, but because there were none available at that particular time I was working, so instead I found a job picking fruit in the beyond humid Florida weather and also worked for a Cuban landscaper doing the grunt work. 4 years of doing that, and whatta you know, got money for college!

What jobs have you done, Nancy Boy?

Plumbing and HVAC

There is no job 'cleaning toilets.' And all the low paying jobs are not this wide open source of employment. You are just using it as hyperbole goes strawman to try and pigeonhole me with your mythical stereotype.

You tell yourself in your head that the 1 in 4 18-25 year olds who are unemployed because they dont want to 'clean toilets' and then include with that fiction and call it a day.

Its horse . I was just trying to be more succinct.

[TarantinoRezDog]

Plumbing and HVAC

There is no job 'cleaning toilets.' And all the low paying jobs are not this wide open source of employment. You are just using it as hyperbole goes strawman to try and pigeonhole me with your mythical stereotype.

You tell yourself in your head that the 1 in 4 18-25 year olds who are unemployed because they dont want to 'clean toilets' and then include with that fiction and call it a day.

Its horse . I was just trying to be more succinct.

Obviously, but that's the one part of a janitor's job that most people find appalling, so it's become something of a catchall term when describing menial custodial work.

And absolutely part of the reason one in four kids are unemployed is because they refuse to do lower end work.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Obviously, but that's the one part of a janitor's job that most people find appalling, so it's become something of a catchall term when describing menial custodial work.

And absolutely part of the reason one in four kids are unemployed is because they refuse to do lower end work.

Of course there are going to be segments unwilling to do certain jobs but that is going to be the case of any generation. Its typically the ones you are trying to marginalize that you try and characterize as lazy and stupid. That is exactly what the liberal arts degree bash and what you are doing are.

[TarantinoRezDog]

Of course there are going to be segments unwilling to do certain jobs but that is going to be the case of any generation. Its typically the ones you are trying to marginalize that you try and characterize as lazy and stupid. That is exactly what the liberal arts degree bash and what you are doing are.

Why is it that in every post you ignore the faults of your generation and refuse to criticize their very real shortcomings?

We had management training centered around how to deal with the "unique" traits, personality, and skills of Generation Y. Their key faults were lazy, en led, egotistical, with their benefits being tech savvy, quick learners, and highly motivated if you figured out how exactly to direct their energy. For example, they would spend all day working on the company's facebook profile but getting them to do an hour of filing was like getting a 10 year old to take out the trash. Plain and simple, they put fun and feelings of fulfillment before work.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is it that in every post you ignore the faults of your generation and refuse to criticize their very real shortcomings?

We had management training centered around how to deal with the "unique" traits, personality, and skills of Generation Y. Their key faults were lazy, en led, egotistical, with their benefits being tech savvy, quick learners, and highly motivated if you figured out how exactly to direct their energy. For example, they would spend all day working on the company's facebook profile but getting them to do an hour of filing was like getting a 10 year old to take out the trash. Plain and simple, they put fun and feelings of fulfillment before work.

Who said they were my generation? So you actually had a fellow employee work on a facebook all day but refuse to file or you picked this up in training?

[TarantinoRezDog]

Who said they were my generation? So you actually had a fellow employee work on a facebook all day but refuse to file or you picked this up in training?

Just for one day to get it up and running. Obviously, we wouldn't have a successful business if we paid employees primarily for that.

They didn't refuse, but you can see the enthusiasm and energy leave their body when they're tasked with filing or data entry, which is something they also do half assed, but when we asked the girl to create us a facebook, her face lit up and she about jumped out of her seat.

You're not in 20-35 demo? Coulda fooled me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just for one day to get it up and running. Obviously, we wouldn't have a successful business if we paid employees primarily for that.

They didn't refuse, but you can see the enthusiasm and energy leave their body when they're tasked with filing or data entry, which is something they also do half assed, but when we asked the girl to create us a facebook, her face lit up and she about jumped out of her seat.

You're not in 20-35 demo? Coulda fooled me.

Well I am defending the demographic it would make sense that you would think that. So they would do it but you didn't like their body language so they are lazy? How would you approach doing it had they not been there say they were sick?

[TarantinoRezDog]

Well I am defending the demographic it would make sense that you would think that. So they would do it but you didn't like their body language so they are lazy? How would you approach doing it had they not been there say they were sick?

Miss the part about them doing the work half-assed?

And even if you're not part of the young gen, why so quick to defend them against legitimate criticism?

You wouldn't balk if I said a boomer was incompetent with technology and that many boomers are unwilling to learn or are slow learners when it comes to that (because it's true), but when I describe the way the current gen has an aversion to work they don't like (also true), you seem to disbelieve it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Miss the part about them doing the work half-assed?

And even if you're not part of the young gen, why so quick to defend them against legitimate criticism?

You wouldn't balk if I said a boomer was incompetent with technology and that many boomers are unwilling to learn or are slow learners when it comes to that (because it's true), but when I describe the way the current gen has an aversion to work they don't like (also true), you seem to disbelieve it.

Every generation gets the lazy and stupid treatment. There are caricatures of it in pop culture over and over again. Assigning "an aversion to work they don't like" to label an entire generation might seem like a legitimate criticism to you but to me it just seems like the same again.

[RandomGuy]

This thread has all the makings of a classic.

Young people suck. Old people rule!

[RandomGuy]

Kids these days are a buncha spoiled brats.

[admiralsnackbar]

...with their bull pop music and crappy television and stupid... thick and lustrous haircuts, and innate technical abilities, and good backs, and lack of kids and mortgages, and hot, sexually liberated girlfriends that don't care about money yet.

I had Donnie and Marie and Saxon and Camaros, es... [shotgun blast]