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good stuff. Again, we appreciate your service. not a bad year Lngrrr, Celts look like they have a clue coach and FO wise. Pats win it all ....anything sox do is just gravy tbh.
I do think repeating is impressive and tough but the reality both Bird's celts and Duncan's Spurs are still dynasties without it. And is not fault on their legacies. Where I think it hurts is the GOAT team arguments the 1986 Celts and I think in timde the 2014 Spurs will look at as historic individual seasons two of the best I have seen. But I do think MJ's bulls and shaqobe Lakers get a little extra credit on their resume ... but it's all debatable.S&B, yeah, caught that. But if he went back to 1970, it would destroy his whole argument.
Yeah Killa, it's a dumb argument.Watch, if Spurs win this year, it becomes, "They didn't threepeat yet, like Jordan's Bulls or Kobe's Lakers".... it's dumb.
good stuff. Again, we appreciate your service. not a bad year Lngrrr, Celts look like they have a clue coach and FO wise. Pats win it all ....anything sox do is just gravy tbh.
How is being able to stay healthy the following year have anything to do with success of the previous year?
already said that the 1986 Celts for example are a great team one of the GOATS but sustaining that success the next year for me shows an extra level of greatness. I knew some Spur fans would get alll sensitive but when you are talking about the best of the best sometimes you have to pick hairs. IF the spurs repeat it absolutely elevates last year's team from one of the great "one-offs" to another level. You may not agree as you are want to do but that's my opinion.
Thanks man. I watched the game over here... had my jersey on, was loud and obnoxious, you know, repping those true Boston fans. When that int happened, I thought it was caught by a Seahawks, and despaired, until I heard the other Patsfans cheering and looked up like WTF?
When that juggled ball was caught, I must have stomped around for a mile in a 5 ft circle, mindlessly repeating, "How can this happen? How the does this happen? Not again! This can't happen! How does this happen?" ad infinitum. Hawks fans were feeling themselves.
To my dying day I'll have no clue why they didn't run Lynch. All the Hawks fans were chanting "Beast Mode" (clap clap) "Beast Mode" (clap clap).
They tried to spin the "You got lucky we didn't run Lynch" BS, but uh-uh. If anything was lucky, it was dat catch.
I can see that KK, as it cements their dominance.
Damn, and you thought Cannon AFB was going to be as bad as it gets.
great point that was almost as fluky as Tyree thought yal got burnt again ...
lol I'd rather six months here than 3 years thereDamn, and you thought Cannon AFB was going to be as bad as it gets.
Gonna go visit the Smoky Mountains when I get back. Went to NCO Academy there two years back, that area is really nice and late August/early Sept should be a great time to go.
Also, I have 30 days of use or lose leave... hurray taking a whole month off.
Level of dominance. A team able to win 2 to 3 consecutive Championships is dominating a period of time
This is one big reason why the Spurs are somewhat playing 2nd fiddle to the Lakers or even Heat in the medias eyes. Without a Repeat: which Spurs team was the best? Which team do you showcase? Each one is treated individually which puts it in the group with Mavericks, Shaq's Heat, Billup's Pistons.
Legacy wise, it would probably be best for the Spurs to Repeat and retire. Then people will forever debate whether they could win the 3-peat.
My point being, unless the Spurs atleast repeat, they won't be included in many peoples eyes as "The Most Dominant". Instead they are one of the most consistent. Outside of this forum, people don't view the 2014 Spurs as some kind of GOAT team. It's more "Well the Heat were tired from the previous 3 Finals appearances and Thunder grossly overrated".
Look at how the Giants are treated in Baseball. They have won 3 in 5 years.
Repeating in Sports is really hard because players become complacent but also you aren't reloading the roster. It's always easier to flame out the 2nd season and return the 3rd year with passion and a new reloaded roster.
A lot of this. Giants (hate those guys) have been one of the most dominant teams in recent sports ...but not repeating has made it less prominent. I get what Amb is saying that each individual season can be viewed as such but gain as Infinite says to really capture a significant place you have to repeat unless you are the 1985 Bears, 1986 Celts, 1983 Sixers but not sure those teams are considered as dominant as the repeaters (of that era).
As for the spurs who this wasnt truly about initially ... Birds celts is probably the closest comparisonas far as eras. Spurs have won more rings, maintained an elite level longer and Celts never repeated either. Should a case be made that the spurs big 3 is greater than the Celts (not just by ring count)?
And where does Duncan/Pop Spurs rank vs. Magic's lakers? 5 rings to 5 ... more than a decade of elite play. Of course Im taking Showtime... but it's close and I think the repeat does give the Lakers a slight edge. But before the past few seasons I would have said such talk was crazy.
Very convoluted logic.
Take it on an individual basis. If a player had the greatest season in NBA history one year, then got injured the next, was he some how less great the previous season? Extend this to a team, and there you go.
You are talking about a prolonged period of dominance assuming the exact same team, and has nothing to do with the dominance of a team over a single year.
Besides, the Spurs won 5 championships over less than two decades with Pop and Duncan as the only common thread, had 3 championships over a 5 years period with the same core, and yet that is less dominant than, say the Rockets because the Rockets won b2b?
No, it was because the Lakers are in LA, the Heat are in Miami, and the Spurs are in San Antonio. There really isn't any way around that. The media has absolutely no problem ranking the 08 Celtics as one of the best team of all time (defensively) despite the lack of a b2b, or the fact that a few Spurs championship teams had better defensive numbers than them. It's because they are from Boston.
As for which Spurs team was the best, it really depends on rules and era. I would say the 05 team was the best with Ginobili in his prime, Parker close to his prime, and Duncan (albeit injured) still close to his prime. But the 2014 team was special in the sense of how effectively the system was ran.
If the Spurs repeat, the knock is that they won't be able to three peat (or the league stinks now, etc ....), if the Spurs three peat, the knock will be they won't be able to win 8 straight and 10 of 11 like the Russell Celtics, or that the Spurs is just a step ahead of the transition from an individually dominated system to a team approach and such. If your team is from SA, you will ALWAYS have your legacy questioned.
What are in people's eyes aren't really that important, and these type of descriptions were clearly used to push people's agendas. Your "Garnett was more influential than Duncan" post was a clear indication of that. It's like saying Jordan was dominant, but he wasn't the best leader at all talk, or the Spurs were boring talk. It's just these random knocks that cannot possibly be backed up to raise the ire of the opposition, and it's re ed at best.
BTW, the 2014 Spurs are no where close the the best team of all time. 86 Celtics, Walton Blazers, 92 Bulls (I always thought the 96 Bulls was way overrated), the 83 6ers, the 87 Lakers and the 01 Lakers should all be considered better, and a whole bunch of others are better as well.
I agree, And I said that prior. But if they did win this year it would change the feeling about that team to some degree and to some critics and that was my point a repeat is different.
BTW, I do think the 2014 spurs though had some of the best ball movement of any recent le team maybe the 2011 Mavs and 2004 Pistons are close (Shaqobe Lakers moved the ball great at times but to often became shaq pound or Kobe iso).
I think the the 86 Celts, the 2014 Spurs and 20111 Mavs to a lessor degree as the best at ball movement. Crazy thing is Pop and RC are two of the best coaches I have seen in the NBA. KC jones was good but not great. Extra points for Bird for making passing infectious. Only Punk ass McHale was a blackhole on that squad ...
and I never saw that 77 team but I hear they had great passing ... I dont judge teams I never saw.
Cannon is as bad as it gets. When it went to specops there were so many tears from those who had to move from Florida to there it was like a waterfall. To top it off ty home prices rose about 200% because the community knew it was ass raping time on pricing. They don't care about the base or the town growth, just the money. People were doing short tours anywhere and even vol'ing to Minot to get out lol.Damn, and you thought Cannon AFB was going to be as bad as it gets.
I notice Hakeem's Rockets are more often referenced than the current Spurs. Since Duncan is the higher rated player, that's odd.
"Never doubt the heart of a Champion". Spurs always returned reborn.
Rockets defeated: Ewing and Shaq
Spurs best: Pistons and Heat
Cavs and Nets are wash. Where do you rank 99 Knicks?
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It's because the media is full of gots like you who are still living in the past.
Houston & Sprewell were great at their roles but not much past Camby & 4-point LJ
Pacers choked
Get in that poster, Baynes!!
86 as all Bird. I have never been a fan of KC Jones, and felt that it was more the quality of players than the coach himself.
As for perception, I agree that it will change, but it just isn't logical to do so, and at the end, I think we are on the same boat with regards to where the 2014 Spurs stand. The ball movement was spectacular, and I can only really think of the Walton Blazers and the Reed Knicks as the other comparisons. I didn't think the ball movement with the 04 Pistons was all that great. Billups was a huge piece of their offense, and Rasheed was a phenomenal passer (very underrated player), but other than that, the other players were all that special. Larry Brown was a great coach, too bad he was such a horrible GM and impatient person, or he would have been collecting rings in multiple places over his career instead of "only" having one.
The Mavs had great ball movement, but still, at the end, Dirk bails them out a lot.
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