indeed.
just saying, if the EU makes it TOO easy to leave, it might not last much longer.
nationalist racist Farage and other BREXITeers told a lot of huge lies, to which he has admitted, that the "stay" crowd couldn't or didn't counter with the truth.Why would anyone want to leave if it's so great?
If May had any balls, they would hold another referendum, now that people know what BREXIT means, and it means NEGATIVE for UK
https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
I watched one of the BBC debates and I heard bad information on both sides. The "remain" camp said there would never be a European Army and just yesterday Angela Merkel called for one in front of the EU Parliament to thunderous applause (except from the UKIP MEPs and a few others).
never say never
On the truly hysterical side of things, UK PM Theresa May apparently called Trump to congratulate him on what he called his "very close to complete victory (Trump's language from his news conference)" in the mid-terms and got berated by him over the phone according to reports. I don't think Trump even tried to convince himself it was actually a victory for him -- it was just a lie.
the referendum was June '16, Trash was not President, Hillary was expected winner and to continue the historical relations with Europe, Trash had not told NATO and EU to yourself because Pootin told me,
so "no EU army" by Stay people wa simply continuing 70 years of European peace
No, they've been talking about this for years. And it wouldn't just be strictly for defense, they argue it's necessary for "intervention".
3/9/2015 - Juncker, President of the EU Comission, Calls for EU Army:
Dominic Raab And Esther McVey Resign From Cabinet Over Theresa May's Brexit Deal
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...s&guccounter=1
UK finance to get basic equivalence in draft Brexit deal:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1NJ2TMThe agreement will be based on the EU’s existing system of financial market access known as equivalence - a watered-down relationship that officials in Brussels have said all along is the best arrangement that Britain can expect.
The EU grants equivalence to many countries and has so far not agreed to Britain’s demands for major concessions such as offering broader access and safeguards on withdrawing access, neither of which is mentioned in the draft deal.”It is appalling,” said Graham Bishop, a former banker and consultant who has advised EU ins utions on financial services. The draft text “is particularly vague but emphasises the EU’s ability to take decisions in its own interests.... This is code for the UK being a pure rule taker.”
If you had your way, there would be no Native Europeans left alive you genocidal freak.
Why Britain Needs Its Own Mueller
Britain and America, Brexit and Trump, are inextricably entwined.
By Nigel Farage.
By Cambridge Analytica.
By Steve Bannon.
The same questions that dog the US election dog ours, too.
Collectively,
Farage, Banks, and Wigmore refer to themselves as “the Bad Boys of Brexit,”
the le of Arron Banks’s memoir and a nod to Britain’s habit of celebrating the buffoonish provocateur (see also, Boris Johnson). The book makes clear that Nigel Farage, Arron Banks, and Andy Wigmore were the clueless outsiders who somehow triumphed over both the establishment and the odds to take Britain outside the European Union.
“Cambridge Analytica did work for us, yes,” he said. “We just didn’t pay them. They were happy to help.” Help? They had “the same goals. We were part of the same family.” Farage and Bannon—a vice president at the firm—were close, he explained. Why wouldn’t they help?
In 2014, Steve Bannon set up Breitbart News in London with the specific intention of helping and supporting Farage’s campaign to take Britain out of the EU.
The money came from Robert Mercer, the hedge-fund billionaire who would go on to become the single biggest donor to the Trump campaign.
And Cambridge Analytica was another star in their firmament. Of course, they would help.
Brexit, Wigmore explained, was the “petri dish” for Trump.
But the most vital questions have not yet even started to be answered.
What is Nigel Farage’s relationship to Donald Trump?
How might that connect to Russian interference in Anglo-American politics and elections?
And, crucially, why is the British government silent on these matters?
Why has it refused to answer parliamentary questions on these issues?
Why is it ignoring senior politicians’ calls for a wider public inquiry?
The same questions that dog the US election dog ours, too.
Only once, in November 2017, has Theresa May made a speech that accused Russia of trying to interfere in British democracy. Otherwise,
the government has maintained silence. In this, it has been aided and abetted by Facebook.
Han was warned by Britain’s security service MI5 that he was a target for Russian intelligence operatives.
a young Russian woman, Katia Zatuliveter, who’d
had a four-year affair with Han and had been identified by the intelligence services as a Russian agent and national security threat.
The Home Office made a case that Zatuliveter, then twenty-six, who’d
previously had a relationship with a senior NATO official,
had set out to seduce Han , sixty-five. Oleg Gordievksy, a former KGB colonel, described her to one newspaper as the
“most useful KGB agent for thirty years,”
“We cannot exclude the possibility that we have been gulled—but if we have been, it has been by a supremely competent and rigorously trained operative.”
For two years, a tiny group of journalists has pursued the trail of crumbs over the financing of the Leave.EU campaign.
The question of where the money came from that paid for Brexit did not add up.
sparred with Banks on Twitter, often late at night.
About the number of lunches he’d had with the Russian ambassador.
About his diamonds.
About why, if he’s so rich, he lets out the manor house in which he claims to reside for weddings and lives in a cottage down the road.
About why he and Nigel Farage had gotten involved with “Calexit,”
a plan for California to secede from the union.
About Farage’s relationship with Dana Rohrabacher, the representative from California who,
until he just lost re-election, was known as “Putin’s favorite congressman.”
About what Farage was doing when he visited Julian Assange in Ecuador’s London embassy in early 2017.
the story took a darker turn.
The Russian embassy wrote to call me a “bad journalist,” and Banks’s and Wigmore’s tone changed from laddish banter to a coarse threat of violence.
what had also changed were
the first indictments from Robert Mueller’s prosecutors, revealing a web of ties that ran through London,
including the identification of the Russian ambassador as a contact between the Trump campaign and Moscow.
London:
the city that Bill Browder, the US-born British businessman who has been pursuing a global Magnitsky Act, says is irredeemably polluted by Russian money.
Among London’s Russian “residents” is the sanctioned Russian businessman Oleg Deripaska—just one of a whole class of oligarchs who’ve mixed with British politicians and donated to British politics and
who are now in Robert Mueller’s sights as an associate of Paul Manafort, the Special Counsel’s leading conviction so far;
just last week,
Deripaska was revealed to have been shuttling Konstantin Kliminik, a suspected Russian intelligence agent, also charged by Mueller, around the world in his jet.
We know that the release of the Clinton campaign’s emails was a defining moment in changing the course of the election.
We know Mueller is following the data trail for evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian disinformation.
And we know he’s circling Assange’s contacts: Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, and Ted Malloch, another friend and associate of Nigel Farage, are all pieces of the puzzle.
We know that American intelligence must be working with British intelligence on this.
On the movements in and out of the Ecuadoran embassy.
On the movements in and out of the Russian embassy, as detailed in the first indictment.
We know that Mueller has talked, repeatedly, to Bannon.
We know that he is asking questions about Farage.
Theresa May must have been briefed on all this. She knows. She’s just not telling.
a stash of Arron Banks’s emails. The contents were jaw-dropping.
There wasn’t one boozy lunch with the Russian ambassador. There weren’t even two. Banks had multiple meetings with the Russian ambassador and Russian officials in the run-up to the 2016 referendum.
Banks and Wigmore visited the Russian embassy where the ambassador introduced them to a businessman, Siman Povarenkin. There, inside the embassy, Povarenkin delivered a presentation:
he had not one but two potentially lucrative deals he wanted to pitch to them.
One difficulty for him is that a recent parliamentary report on Russian influence in British politics described him as misleading and evasive, and called his spokesman Wigmore “unreliable” and a “self-confessed liar.”
Nigel Farage is the central figure in all this—close to Bannon, close to Banks and Wigmore, close to Trump, linked to Assange.
He has reported me and Jukes to the police and has called me a criminal, a lunatic, a conspiracy theorist, a loony, a blackmailer, a thief, a hacker, a mad cat lady.
The attempted demonization is a distraction story that has worked. The BBC has still not reported on his relationship to Russia,
The Electoral Commission noted that it was unclear where Banks’s £8 million donation had come from
or was “permissible” under election rules that do not allow funding from non-UK sources.
Critically, it’s what happened on Facebook that remains the biggest question of all.
Facebook has become a giant funnel not just for dark ads, but for dark money that evades election finance laws.
It is now not in doubt that Facebook facilitated data crimes,
Five times, a parliamentary committee has asked Mark Zuckerberg to answer its questions.
And five times, Zuckerberg has refused.
In the last instance, he said no to five national assemblies, when, in an unprecedented act, the British Parliament joined forces with counterparts in Canada, Australia, Argentina, and Ireland to invite Facebook’s chief executive to
an extraordinary joint international committee on November 27.
It’s often said that Facebook is more powerful than a nation-state. It’s not; it’s more powerful than five nation-states.
Facebook’s lack of co-operation has been assisted by Theresa May’s government, which won’t co-operate with Parliament either.
From the corridors of Whitehall and Westminster to the studios of the BBC, Britain’s establishment has buried its head in the sand while democracy and the rule of law have been subverted in plain sight.
The government is colluding with an omniscient surveillance superpower.
A hostile foreign power has deployed a chemical weapon on our streets.
However bleak and dark and troubled America seems right now,
it’s not as bleak and dark and troubled as Britain.
You have Robert S. Mueller. We don’t.
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/1...0Own%20Mueller
New Evidence Emerges of Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica’s Role in Brexit
there is new evidence that it did. Newly surfaced e-mails show that the former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, and Cambridge Analytica, the Big Data company that he worked for at the time, were simultaneously incubating both nationalist political movements in 2015.
The e-mails, which date back to October of 2015, show that
Bannon, who was then the vice-president of Cambridge Analytica,
an American firm largely owned by the U.S. hedge-fund billionaire Robert Mercer,
was in the loop on discussions taking place at the time between his company and the leaders of Leave.EU, a far-right nationalist organization.
The following month, Leave.EU publicly launched a campaign aimed at convincing British voters to support a referendum in favor of exiting the European Union.
The precise role played by foreign en ies in promoting and possibly funding Brexit has been clouded in mystery and controversy.
British law forbids foreign contributions to its political campaigns—just as U.S. law bars foreign campaign contributions.
The laws are designed to prevent international manipulation of domestic affairs.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...UyMTQyMjQ4MAS2
warehouse space running out as retailers and manufacturers hedge against the prospect of no deal:
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87059As one also gets news of the UK running out of food warehouse space, as firms seek to stockpile against the possibility of a "no deal" Brexit, one can sympathise with the concerns of business, even if one has to remark that they score "nil points" for political a en.
The warehouse situation though, is interesting. Retailers and manufacturers have apparently been rushing to stockpile everything from garden peas to half-cooked supermarket bread and cold-store potatoes, with space fully booked for the next six months. Customers are now being turned away.
But what is especially significant is the comment of Malcolm Johnstone, owner of Associated Cold Stores & Transport (ACST). He says he "started getting inquiries two to three months ago, but they reached fever pitch in the last 48 hours", after the chaos in Westminster last week. "There has been a sea change since Wednesday".
Article 50: Law officer says UK can cancel Brexit
The non-binding opinion was delivered by the European Court of Justice's advocate general.
A group of Scottish politicians has asked the court whether the UK can call off Brexit without the consent of other member states.
The Court of Justice (ECJ) will deliver its final ruling at a later date.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-46428579
perhaps there'll be a re-referendum. that and efta/EEA solution are the only possible ways to avoid a "no deal Brexit."
the current deal looks dead in the water. if it fails, a no confidence vote and snap elections are the likely result.
Government found in contempt of Parliament for withholding the full legal analysis of Brexit.
Also, if the May/EU deal fails, Commons will have a direct say in what happens next.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46446694
IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO DISTANCE ITSELF FROM THE IMPENDING SHIPWRECK, A RAT CASTS ITSELF INTO THE OCEAN
May cancels vote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1O90X7European Council President Donald Tusk said later that the EU was ready to discuss how to smooth ratification of the deal by Britain’s parliament, but added that the backstop could not be renegotiated. He said time was running out for a negotiated settlement and he would convene a Council meeting on Thursday.
The vote postponement marks what many lawmakers cast as the collapse of May’s two-year attempt to forge a compromise under which the United Kingdom would exit the EU while staying largely within its economic sphere.
Sterling skidded to its weakest level since April 2017, falling to $1.2507. It was trading at $1.50 on the day of the 2016 Brexit referendum. Yields on U.S. 10-year bonds dropped to the lowest since late August.
Only the threat of a "no deal" will force the EU to accept a real brexit. They are still largely controlling the terms of the breakup right now.
The EU has been clear. There's no time to renegotiate. Two year clock starts ticking on March 29, 2019
No deal Brexit, efta/EEA and re-referendum are the only choices. May's deal is dead.
They should have been preparing for a no deal all along.
The EU has been clear. There's no time to renegotiate. Two year clock starts ticking on March 29, 2019
No deal Brexit, efta/EEA and re-referendum are the only choices. May's deal is dead.
well, they didn't and now they're ed
As Theresa May fumbles Brexit, a far-right backlash is brewing
"On Monday, an EU court ruled that Britain could reverse its withdrawal unilaterally before March 29, 2019, the date of its departure."
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...ash-is-brewing
Ms of far-right British are emotionally stunted in the 19th century, still obsessed with Britain as "sun never sets on" its Empire, England as "exceptional" and better than inferior, empire-less Continentals.
Sorta like Confederate slave states STILL emotionally stunted in the 19th century as slave-holding sadists and knitta haters.
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"In Britain, for example, it was places hardest hit by austerity that voted most for Brexit."
https://eand.co/how-austerity-ripped...t-3bf944bd8352
The right-wing Trash/Brexit voters are not / will not get anything from Trash or Repug austerity or BREXIT, they will only lose.
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