Woj:Patty Mills has agreed to a 4-year, $50M deal to stay with San Antonio

[objective]

And when people point out media members saying it's a fair deal or good value for Mills, let me remind you all:

they also LOVED the Parker extension!

When the few smart ones here were looking forward to Parker coming off the books as the decline was apparent to anyone who paid close attention found out about the extension, we knew it was crap and would be a disaster.

It took years for the supposed smart people in the media to catch on.

This is a disaster, this is the moment people will point to years from now as the turning point on what went wrong. When you massively overpay for loyalty to non-stars, when you reward performance from 3(!) years and 2 contracts ago, this is how contenders wither and die.

It'll take years, but everyone will come around. You'll see.

[TimDunkem]

Again, if you want players that are well rounded and consistently perform in the playoffs it's going to cost a lot more than what Paddy got. You are listing his flaws as if other teams' role players (some of whom earn more) don't have their own flaws and struggles with consistency.

If it comes to it, his contract is widely regarded as good value so you'll have no trouble moving it. I agree that if they keep bringing TP back this sign is pretty head scratching but personally I think TP is done in SA (and maybe in general) after next year.

What are we playing for then if we're re-upping all the playoff non-factors? And I don't believe TP isn't coming back unless he's completely done physically. The FO will pay him until the wheels fall off. And, if that's the case, why not sign a vet and throw Murray into the fire if the goal is to develop him?

One more thing, I'm not expecting Patty to be an all-star but, if you're a "6th man" PG getting paid 12 mill a year, I expect you to either play D, make shots against good teams, or run an offense. He can't do even one of those things.

[TimDunkem]

It makes basketball sense if you think there's a chance Tony doesn't return to form, and you're going to lose Manu and/or Simmons from your bench unit. Murray will get his opportunity regardless of Mills returning.

I'm not saying I love the deal, but it does make basketball sense.

If that's the case, just sign a vet for cheap since we're not expecting shot making, playmaking, or defense from Patty anyway. Just develop Murray and White who is a PG too.

[AFBlue]

If that's the case, just sign a vet for cheap since we're not expecting shot making, playmaking, or defense from Patty anyway. Just develop Murray and White who is a PG too.

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"

[FkLA]

And when people point out media members saying it's a fair deal or good value for Mills, let me remind you all:

they also LOVED the Parker extension!

When the few smart ones here were looking forward to Parker coming off the books as the decline was apparent to anyone who paid close attention found out about the extension, we knew it was crap and would be a disaster.

It took years for the supposed smart people in the media to catch on.

This is a disaster, this is the moment people will point to years from now as the turning point on what went wrong. When you massively overpay for loyalty to non-stars, when you reward performance from 3(!) years and 2 contracts ago, this is how contenders wither and die.

It'll take years, but everyone will come around. You'll see.

See, your problem is you want to ignore the market and instead you want to set the value of players yourself. Thats just not how it works. Otherwise there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind who would consider Paddy's new deal a "massive overpay".

Paddy is 28 I believe, with shooting as his main skillset. TP was an 31(?) year old, speed-reliant PG at the time of his extension. The cap has also gone up significantly. The situations aren't even comparable.

[TimDunkem]

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"

Any other PGs out there who can't run an offense, hit big shots against good teams, and not play defense?

[Mr. Body]

You could argue Mills isn't worth $12.5M/yr. You can't make a reasonable case that you'd find a replacement for the min. Or can you? Ideas for someone other than Mills that could be had "for cheap?"

The guy is an idiot. Don't bother.

[SAGirl]

^Jrue Holliday deal lol at the outrage over a measly 12.5 mill/yr

bad comparison, Jrue is a starter in the league, plays more minutes and is a better player, younger, taller, more athletic, more versatile, a true PG. How much is the Pelicans back up PG getting? Are you saying Patty is going to be a starter from now on? In that case I like him less.

[AFBlue]

Any other PGs out there who can't run an offense, hit big shots against good teams, and not play defense?

No, I mean a guy that can average 9.5pts/3.5asts in just over 20MPG while shooting over 40% from 3.

Go ahead. I'll check back in every once in a while.

[TimDunkem]

The guy is an idiot. Don't bother.

Says the eater who's been a joke on this forum for years.

[Mr. Body]

Says the eater who's been a joke on this forum for years.

When you have the facts use the facts. When you don't have the facts, bang the table.

That's you, except instead of banging the table you're pooping your pants.

[SAGirl]

So the PG rotation is set: Murray/Mills/White/Tony Let's hope Murray is the real deal or we are ed.

I suspect Mills is starting... same as in the playoffs. He just got paid. He's about to earn that money playing 30 minutes per game and starting while Tony gets back.

[FkLA]

What are we playing for then if we're re-upping all the playoff non-factors? And I don't believe TP isn't coming back unless he's completely done physically. The FO will pay him until the wheels fall off. And, if that's the case, why not sign a vet and throw Murray into the fire if the goal is to develop him?

One more thing, I'm not expecting Patty to be an all-star but, if you're a "6th man" PG getting paid 12 mill a year, I expect you to either play D, make shots against good teams, or run an offense. He can't do even one of those things.

GS openly said they made a concerted effort to key in on Paddy. They put a bigger, All-Defense caliber guy on him all series. That alone mightve been enough for him to struggle (let's not act like prime TP who's a better player than Paddy will ever be didn't struggle against guys like Sefalosha) but then you add Kawhi going down and it just wasn't a good situation for a role player like Paddy. It's dumb to judge him on that series unless you are dumb enough to expect him to be able to be effective against elite teams without an MVP level guy to play off of.

[objective]

See, your problem is you want to ignore the market and instead you want to set the value of players yourself. Thats just not how it works. Otherwise there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind who would consider Paddy's new deal a "massive overpay".

Paddy is 28 I believe, with shooting as his main skillset. TP was an 31(?) year old, speed-reliant PG at the time of his extension. The cap has also gone up significantly. The situations aren't even comparable.

Mills will be 29 in August, and if shooting is his main skillset, the Spurs are screwed. Playoffs past the first round on his last contract: 21.7% from 3 against Golden State, 33.3% from 3 against Houston, 23% against OKC

Re: the market, how is it that there's no other back up points on deals like 4/50? How is it that the others who even come close can do a lot more than Mills, like either defend like dirty assholes like Delladova or run a pick-and-roll like Jeremy Lin?

There was no market for no defense, no playmaking, busted shooting short guys with histories of being overweight.

The Spurs just set it so high they played themselves.

[FkLA]

bad comparison, Jrue is a starter in the league, plays more minutes and is a better player, younger, taller, more athletic, more versatile, a true PG. How much is the Pelicans back up PG getting? Are you saying Patty is going to be a starter from now on? In that case I like him less.

I wasn't saying Jrue and Paddy are on the same level. It wasnt a comparison, I was just showing the landscape of today's market. Guys are still getting huge deals. Jrue is better (and more injury prone) but he's also massively overpaid. Paddy isnt.

[DAF86]

I suspect Mills is starting... same as in the playoffs. He just got paid. He's about to earn that money playing 30 minutes per game and starting while Tony gets back.

No, just no. The only chance in this team has of reaching another gear is the improvements of Murray and Bertans. And that's not going to happen playing them 15 minutes off the bench.

[TheGreatYacht]

Love how Mr.Body was talking defense yet he just defended locking up Fatty for four years.

[TimDunkem]

No, I mean a guy that can average 9.5pts/3.5asts in just over 20MPG while shooting over 40% from 3.

Go ahead. I'll check back in every once in a while.

Might as well have gone after a Calderon, Galloway, Udrih, or Shelvin Mack if we're looking for less than 10 PPG, 3 AST, and no defense. At least we wouldn't have needed to lock them up for 4 years.

When you have the facts use the facts. When you don't have the facts, bang the table.

That's you, except instead of banging the table you're pooping your pants.

Says the guy who's been melting down all morning.

[SuperCam]

"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term"

[TimDunkem]

GS openly said they made a concerted effort to key in on Paddy. They put a bigger, All-Defense caliber guy on him all series. That alone mightve been enough for him to struggle (let's not act like prime TP who's a better player than Paddy will ever be didn't struggle against guys like Sefalosha) but then you add Kawhi going down and it just wasn't a good situation for a role player like Paddy. It's dumb to judge him on that series unless you are dumb enough to expect him to be able to be effective against elite teams without an MVP level guy to play off of.

Doesn't explain choking against the Thunder and getting eaten up by guys like Austin Rivers.

[EIC]

Anyone defending this deal is so clueless I can't believe you watch more than a few Spurs games a year.

Even at his peak, Patty was that amusing, high-energy "Rudy" type that you root for because he's an underdog. You throw a few mill at him to keep him on the roster because he's entertaining and loyal like a good dog, but by no means do you pay him real money. You get a few years out of him and then sell him high to a bubble East team that's willing to overpay for role players.

It's over, folks. The league has passed the Spurs by. PATFO are going to go down with the ship, playing classy ball and overpaying on loyalty contracts to "character" guys on the way down to the ocean bottom. Bonner might as well come back for $18mm/3 years, for 's sake. I just hope Kawhi, Simmons, and Murray get on a life raft before this goes under.

[TimDunkem]

"with these kind of playoff stats we have to lock him up long term"

Holy .
But, but, but his production can't be replaced!!!!

[objective]

Doesn't explain choking against the Thunder and getting eaten up by guys like Austin Rivers.

or shooting under 35 against Houston

[TimDunkem]

Even at his peak, Patty was that amusing, high-energy "Rudy" type that you root for because he's an underdog. You throw a few mill at him to keep him on the roster because he's entertaining and loyal like a good dog, but by no means do you pay him real money. You get a few years out of him and then sell him high to a bubble East team that's willing to overpay for role players.

Funny how he's suddenly so irreplaceable. Funny when people here were ting on him all of last season.

[Dverde]

Congrats Patty! He earned this contract, I just thought it would be from anothet team. People complaining about GSW series need to realize Klay playing good D. Everyone knew they were losing after Kwahi went down.