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    Well, you two... it seems Spurs were able to trade Rasho ALONE, right? Case closed.
    Let me see if I have this straight: after trying for a year, we finally find a trade for Rasho. Since one deal exists, there must be many other potential deals out there that are even better?

    I'm not quite sure how you got from point A to point B.

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    As long as he's not the second coming of Sean Marks.

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    came back from a meeting and trying to catch up. I think this is a wonderful trade. I live in ottawa and got raptors TV this year. after 2 games i was a Bonner FAN. He has an incredible energy and breath smartness and kindness butat the same time he can be so agressive. You can see all his teammates loved him , HE HAS THE DRIVE. We need young players like this who want IT BAD. I have seen him change the momentum of the game on 3pt but also on transition dunk AND transition Dfense. He IS pretty fast for his syze and WILLING to do what it takes.

    his game has flaws but i can accept them so much easier when a player puts so much heart to it. He will only improve. Good trade.
    Exactly.

    I've also watched many of his games and it's tough not to root for this guy. He has heart, toughness and can shoot the lights out. It's tough to get a good read on what he does defensively because he was on a horrible defensive team and played out of position a lot, but if 75 year old Danny Ferry could survive defensively, a 26 year old Matt Bonner who is a lot more athletic will easily survive.

    The Spurs were missing that Malik Rose style drive ... but now they have it back.

    By the way Eric Williams will not even be a stop gap solution. we need to get rid of him by buying out or exchanging him during the season. no way he can contribute in the play-off he is done.
    Him having an expiring contract will make him easy to trade.


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    Well, you two... it seems Spurs were able to trade Rasho ALONE, right? Case closed.
    Someone's not making sense.

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    You can be sure that Tim HIMSELF demands a true center in the team, don't worry about that. It is a public secret that Tim doesn't want to play center, especially in D.
    Oh I think they'll be some kind of other center on the team. Javtokas or whatever. But I think the Spurs will acquire another PF who will start along side Duncan.

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    tim is now afraid to play dirk as a powerforwad so i guess he wants to move to center.

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    Well I have to say I'm pretty happy with this deal. Rasho was really overrated for a long time and it showed.

    I'm just happy we got a good youngin', vet and even a pick. Surprised anyone would have given that much for him.

    I'd like to know what Raptors fans are saying. If there is any.

    And to angeluv- You'll get over it.

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    Oh I think they'll be some kind of other center on the team. Javtokas or whatever. But I think the Spurs will acquire another PF who will start along side Duncan.
    They can announce Tim at shooting guard and Tony as the center for all I care. But unless they bring in another center we haven't seen yet, I think you're right that Duncan will be the de facto center in the starting lineup.

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    I'd like to know what Raptors fans are saying. If there is any.
    I read a Raptors forum earlier where they are saying that Villanueva is on the block now. Colangelo says that Rasho is the starting center alongside Bosh up front. And then they would probably draft a SF.

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    Let me see if I have this straight: after trying for a year, we finally find a trade for Rasho. Since one deal exists, there must be many other potential deals out there that are even better?

    I'm not quite sure how you got from point A to point B.
    I'm not in the "explain obvious" mood. Find someone else...

    tim is now afraid to play dirk as a powerforwad so i guess he wants to move to center.
    Tim was never "afraid" to play anywhere, it's just that center banging he doesn't like. It would also be bad for his injury/fatigue condidtion to become our starting center.

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    I read a Raptors forum earlier where they are saying that Villanueva is on the block now. Colangelo says that Rasho is the starting center alongside Bosh up front. And then they would probably draft a SF.
    I bet my left nut they draft Lamarcus.

    Why don't we go after Villan? I bet we tried.

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    Tim is the center. It'd probably be better for him to start off games against lumbering 5s than have to face athletic 4s.

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    Could they be dumb enough to trade Villanueva to us too?

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    And then they would probably draft a SF.
    Which one?

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    I read a Raptors forum earlier where they are saying that Villanueva is on the block now. Colangelo says that Rasho is the starting center alongside Bosh up front. And then they would probably draft a SF.

    that would have been cool if the spurs could have gotten Villanueva for Rasho, especially if the rumors are true and the raptors are looking to get rid of him, he could have been our answer for a long 3, oh well I still like what we got

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    I'm not in the "explain obvious" mood. Find someone else
    in other words you have no clue..

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    For people who don't think Duncan will be playing center, RC Buford does.

    "It's obvious Tim's minutes are going to start getting directed some to (center) from looking at the playoffs," Buford said. "So the necessity to have so many people at (that) position probably becomes a little bit less."

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    Here's the E-N article. Like I said earlier, with Bonner here now it looks like they'll trade Scola's rights.

    Spurs bolster perimeter: Nesterovic is dealt to Toronto for Bonner, Williams, 2009 pick

    Web Posted: 06/22/2006 12:00 AM CDT
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    Less than 24 hours after the NBA crowned its new champion, the Spurs took the first step in attempting to make their roster more le-worthy, trading center Rasho Nesterovic to Toronto for forwards Matt Bonner and Eric Williams.

    The trade was made largely for financial reasons: Nesterovic had three years and $23.5 million remaining on his contract, while Bonner and Williams are entering the final season of their respective deals. The Spurs hope their newest acquisitions help them better match up in the Western Conference, where perimeter-oriented power forwards such as Dirk Nowitzki, Boris Diaw and Lamar Odom have become the norm.

    Bonner, 26, averaged 7.3 points and 3.6 rebounds in two seasons with the Raptors. At 6-foot-10, and with a 42.1 percent career 3-point percentage, Bonner gives the Spurs another big man to space the floor for Tim Duncan.

    "We can always figure out ways to use guys who can shoot the ball," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said.

    Williams, 6-8, is an 11-year veteran who will be playing for his sixth team. Williams turns 34 next month and appeared in only 28 games last season, but Buford is optimistic he can provide defense and toughness.

    Nesterovic's lack of athleticism and aggressiveness made him an easy target for fans in his three seasons with the Spurs, but he was an effective position defender when matched against bigger centers. He lost his starting job after the Spurs acquired Nazr Mohammed in February 2005, regained it at the beginning of last season, then lost it again after the All-Star break.

    Neither Nesterovic nor Mohammed played much in the Spurs' second-round loss to Dallas when coach Gregg Popovich opted to use a smaller lineup to match up with Nowitzki.

    "It's obvious Tim's minutes are going to start getting directed some to (center) from looking at the playoffs," Buford said. "So the necessity to have so many people at (that) position probably becomes a little bit less."

    For now, the Spurs don't have a true center. Mohammed is a free agent, and though the Spurs are open to re-signing him if the price is right, they also will explore sign-and-trade options. They expect to sign Robertas Javtokas, a 6-11 former second-round pick who has been playing in Lithuania, but consider him a solid rotation player more than a starting option.

    The arrival of Bonner and Williams also increases the likelihood the Spurs will trade the rights to Argentine forward Luis Scola. With Fabricio Oberto also under contract, the team is deep at power forward.

    In addition to finding a center, the Spurs will try to add a third point guard and a younger, athletic wing player via free agency or trade. They don't expect any immediate help from next week's draft even if they trade for a first-round selection. If the Spurs need to make a move during the season, Williams' $4.3 million contract might attract teams looking to get under the salary cap.

    As part of Wednesday's deal, the Spurs will receive a 2009 second-round pick the Raptors had obtained from New Orleans. Toronto also received financial considerations — less than $1 million — from the Spurs.

    Nesterovic, 30, is in Slovenia and couldn't be reached for comment, but his agent, Bill Duffy, said he was "fine" with the trade. He is expected to become the Raptors' starting center.

    "It was a great experience for him in San Antonio," Duffy said. "The Spurs believed in him and rewarded him with a nice contract, but at the end of the day, his role there had diminished."

    Bonner, whose long-range shooting and wit made him popular with Toronto fans, was surprised when Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo informed him of the trade. He will fly to San Antonio today to meet with Spurs officials.

    "I felt we were on our way to having a winning team (in Toronto)," Bonner said by phone. "But now I have a great opportunity to go to a great organization. I'm really excited."

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    in other words you have no clue..
    Rrrright..

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    For people who don't think Duncan will be playing center, RC Buford does.
    Well, that's obvious as there is no other choice!

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    I'm not in the "explain obvious" mood. Find someone else...
    Enjoy your dreamworld where we could have gotten Garnett for Rasho, Barry, and Oberto or something.

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    I agree that Rashard would be great on the Spurs...while he is making a lot of money, I dont think its a "max" contract, it may be close, but its not max I'm pretty sure..he made $8.5 last year & will make $9.3, $10.1(player option), & $10.9 over the next 3 years...it is probably a very slim chance that we could get him, but a healthy Rashard Lewis, with Parker, Gino & TD would be sick...I have been hoping for Lewis to be a Spur for a long time.
    you have no chance of getting him though. who would you trade?

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    you have no chance of getting him though. who would you trade?
    I wouldn't want him. He's opting out of this contract the following season because he wants a max deal.

    He's not a max player.

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    In addition to finding a center, the Spurs will try to add a third point guard and a younger, athletic wing player via free agency or trade. They don't expect any immediate help from next week's draft even if they trade for a first-round selection.

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    oh god, why would you want jackson? hes a chucker and he has a bad at ude. the spurs organization is nothing like that.

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