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sorry bro. i'm a little quick today. i've ingested about 3 cans of red bull.
Yeah sorry Mardigan...
I meant $7M PER YEAR over the next two...my bad
sorry bro. i'm a little quick today. i've ingested about 3 cans of red bull.
wow miss piggy coming over tonight huh?
Not complaining, appreciate any and all knowledge brought to the table
He would need an 8 ball and a handle of whiskey for that
i was just looking at dunleavy jr.'s salary and i'm thinking that that is about the worst salary i've ever seen. they're paying $37 million to that stiff over the next four years. at least the spurs haven't made that kind of a blunder.
Thats what I like to call Duke money
That after receiving TONS of criticism for giving Stiff of the Century, a.k.a. Adonal Foyle, almost $10M a year.
it's viagra and a sleeping pill. that usually does the trick. that way i don't remember it.
Chris Mullin sucks at his job worse than Matt Millen
The old rufie colada, oldest trick in the book
mike finley must consider himself the luckiest man alive. he's getting $20 million to suck it up this year, and $21.7 to suck it up next year. $41 million for one of the worst subs in the league! my god! how the did he get that contract from the mavericks? i know this is old news to most but jesus christ!!! that blows my mind.
He got that contract, then fell off faster than any player since Beno, he must have gone to Duke too
Dunno if he's #1 on the list of most unfulfilled contracts in league history...that might belong to Allan Houston.
Grant Hill was in the running before his decent rebound this year.
Well we know U will need them both so u can keep them. Not that it will matter.i know u guys want kenny thomas and ron artest
remember the Antonio Davis fight?
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(best to watch from 0:42)
yes, Davis isn't a small guy at 6-9, but if you are a 7 foot 270 guy like Haywood and you throw a punch first at someone who doesn't expect it and then backpedale in abject horror, you really deserve being nicknamed "Brenda".
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well, whatever this means, the top 9 players, or top 12 players, in what category: in minutes? points? years of age?
however. the irony is, that the lower ranked players are the more valuable assets for a trade anyhow (when excluding the big 3 in any trade proposaly).
if we talk in minutes per game, the group ouside the top 12 is:
Williams, Butler, White. + picks, + rights
it might in fact be easier to work out a trade with this assets: Williams expiring contract for the numbers, Butler was a disappointment for the Spurs, but other teams might still belive in his potential. White is most unlikely IMO, but if he is the one asset that makes the other team agree on a usefull trade, just do it.
I'm still hoping, that Gerald Wallace is one of the targets. (even if he isn't mentioned in trade rumors, or rumored to be on the market)
he has this opt-out clause this summer and I really don't think the Bobcats will try to hard to resign him (for the same or even a higher price).
and I don't think that Wallace wants to remain with the Bobcats, when his role was reduced when they aquired Morrison and will dwindle even more, when Morrison improves.
furthermore it is not out of any chance, that this year Durant or Brendan Wright or Julien Wright falls to the Bobcats, one more factor that would cut into Wallace's minutes.
Bobcats will try to get something in return for Wallace. considering the fact that he can opt-out this summer, they would have to trade him before the deadline.
Bobcats will be looking for picks and/or cheap young players. they will also probably have to repleace players of their big men rotaion (Brezec and Voskuhl can opt-out, Ely will be a FA)
so Butler could be interesting for them.
they were quite successfull in taking players, who didn't get any minutes with other teams (see Brezec, see Wallace), so they might not hesitate to gamble on a player like Butler.
so: I would offer them Williams+Butler for Gerald Wallace and add teasers, whatever they ask. (1st rounder, as well second rounders, as well as Scola rights)
Wallace would be worth the price, considering the current needs.
So now the Spurs find themselves in the position of trying to improve the supporting cast with expiring contracts, future draft picks, and the perhaps the rights to previous draft picks who are currently playing abroad.
Expiring contracts only have value if you are willing to take back a contract with one or more years remaining on the contracts of the players you would receive past those of the players you give up. Since the Spurs are unwilling to take on deals that extend past next season, this significantly limits the opportunities they have to improve by moving an Eric Williams, Oberto, Finley, Barry, etc...
Giving up future draft picks isn't a good idea, since they are your primary source for cheap young talent. If you are going to limit good basketball moves because of financial concerns, why force your front office into giving up the one source that they have shown they know how to do the most with? Your starting backcourt is a testament to that. San Antonio is not a hot free agent destination for players still in their prime and trying to make their mark on the league. The current CBA makes gives an edge to teams in retaining the players they drafted.
As for the international players whose rights are held by the Spurs, you have to trust your scouts to know who you should make available and who you should not. Again, this is a source for cheap talent and talent who is pretty much at the team's mercy if it wants to play NBA basketball.
So pretty much the Spurs have put themselves in a box when it comes to improving what they put out on the floor thanks to ownership's stupidity. At most we will see a marginal move, likely motivated by fear of the Lux Tax Monster this February. The team will be lucky if it only gives up one pick. That pick will be another young talent the Spurs could have added to their system to replenish the supporting cast, much like the two they gave up to rent Stone Hands.
Reasonable trade idea? There is no such thing.
GO SPURS GO!
I don't believe Williams can bring in a player with a bad contract that gives this team a better chance to win a le.
Marcus you've gotten to the point that GW was always at with his "ballas". You want a deal for the sake of a deal.
Then how about Barry, Bonner, Finley, Udrih, etc...? If they were willing to take back a deal they could find some options.
...better than being in DizzG mode with the problems this team has.Marcus you've gotten to the point that GW was always at with his "ballas". You want a deal for the sake of a deal.
I recognize the problems, but I also recognize we have tradeable assets. I'm not looking for them to trade for Adonal Foyle just to prove they can take on a bad contract. You're looking for them to make a trade for any marginal player out there with a bad contract just to prove they're willing to spend money. Nevermind that there aren't any players out there that are going to put this team over the top.
While I do like what Wallace brings, whatever we could/would trade to the Bobcats for him, it would amount to a 1/2 season rental. Wallace most likely will opt out & be looking for a near max contract, which the Spurs have no chance of offering him. So we would give the players, the picks & Scolas rights for 40 games of Wallace, that is not a good deal IMO. Like Pop said, we are probably going to go with what we got, maybe we get rid of Williams, maybe not, but the best hope we have IMO would be to offer the entire MLE to Nocioni during the summer & hope he wants to play with Manu..even then somebody will probably offer more than the MLE & we will not be able to match.
You take back a bad contract to get a servicable player and a young talent. Expiring contracts have value. You force another team to give up that talent, not give it up yourself to rent an ok veteran for the rest of this season.
Wallace is going to be nowhere near getting a max deal. I think Wallace would be lucky to get a bit more than the MLE. I also don't think the Spurs plan on bringing in Nocioni. I think Scola will be a Spur next year.
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