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goddamm. Hill's feet are gonna fall off before the all-star break playing minutes like that.
lol, the Suns
Grant Hill 41 minutes
Steve Nash 37 minutes
goddamm. Hill's feet are gonna fall off before the all-star break playing minutes like that.
We lost to the Hawks too, but we were missing three-fifths of our starting lineup in the second half. They actually went all out to win this one. Dirk played 38 against Atlanta, nobody else had more than 33.
And we didn't have STAT. Injury riddled games in November don't mean .
Not in the grand scheme of things. I just DO NOT understand D'Antoni's obsession with HCA and the top seed, playing his main guys 35+ minutes a night instead of sacrificing 4-6 wins a year by holding minutes down.
leave it to Suns Troll to go bringing up the significance of regular season minutes played. I didn't even read that argument and I know you lost it.
Top seed is a pretty big advantage. It's much easier if you don't have to play both Dallas and San Antonio.
With how screwy the seedings system is, you don't necessarily need that top seed. Two years ago the Suns got the two seed and only had to play one. I know they fixed that particular glitch, but considering how strong the SW division is this year, Houston, Dallas and San Antonio could grab the top three records and one of them is getting seeded fifth.
Unfortunate part is that they lost the game while racking up those minutes. I just have a feeling that guys like Banks and Tucker can waste time on the floor to give Nash and Hill a rest.
It really doesn't make sense to me. I play basketball all the time and I'm in farily decent shape, but I'm dead tired after playing 5 pick-up games or so in a row. I can't imagine what playing 80% of the minutes against the best and most physical players in the world for over 82 games must do to your body in the long-run. In other news, let's hope he keeps playing Brian Skinner because that guy might not be as talented as Kurt Thomas, but he works pretty damn hard out there and I respect that. He might not slow Duncan down too much in the playoffs, but he's definitely a strong enough guy to wear him down some.
Screw it, this team is gonna lose out on a le because of a cheap owner, a hard-headed coach, and a whiny small forward.
Brilliant! That post was written yesterDAY, and referred to the 115-93 Suns win over the Bobcats. You waited until after the Suns had lost a game to Atlanta to respond to try to make me look foolish. Jackass.
You're coming up on your 100th post of stupidity, DannyB. You should feel proud.
All Suns haters are obsessed with how many ing minutes our starters play. Obviously, when you win over 60 games it doesn't mean . And don't even try to claim that the Suns lost to the Spurs last year because they were tired. It's a ing stupid old argument from the year before when the Suns ran out of players (due to injuries to Amare, Bell, K. Thomas) against the Mavs. Find something ing relevant to criticize the Suns about.
Yeah, we were only missing Amare, and Diaw's playing with foot/ankle injuries too. So what? Suns still lost, Mavs lost too. Hawks are gonna be a playoff team this year. Lots of talent over there. Too bad that draft pick is gonna suck now. ing draft lottery.
I guess so. Since you're the reigning le-holder, I've got to ask is there some sort of formal award ceremony where you pass your trophy on to me?
You have confused "obsessed" with "amused."
You are correct that winning over 60 regular season games doesn't mean when the Suns can't get past San Antonio or Dallas. Maybe you are learning something after all.
I don't think you watched the 2006-2007 playoffs. The Suns didn't get tired in their losses? What happened in Game 5 then? I can hear the excuses now: No Amare, No Diaw. Guess what, clown? The reality is that two players were suspended. D'Antoni didn't distribute the minutes correctly to compensate, and the Suns blew a decent lead becuase they were sucking wind like Patrick Ewing by the fourth quarter.
Relevant Criticisms of the Suns:
1. Coached by a moron who refuses to learn from past mistakes.
a) Plays veterans too many minutes.
b) Fails to play his bench enough to allow the bench players to contribute in any meaningful way.
2. No interior defense or low post players.
3. No perimeter defense.
4. Overpaid stars who cannot create their own shot and are fairly one-dimensional, even offensively.
5. Poor at ude and sense of en lement from D'Antoni on down the line.
6. Poor rebounding.
I refer you to the "lol, Mike D'Antoni" thread.
Just to be fair Reggie, if you were to similarly scrutinize Dallas, what would you say? Not to dog them, but just because you have an astute basketball mind.
Are you trying to embarrass your fellow Mavericks fans? Thank you for providing me with even more detailed data supporting the claim that Diop plays more against the Spurs than Dampier does. Honestly, its not even a challenge anymore, FinDog. You thumped yourself on this one. Diop played more minutes even when you throw out the game Dampier missed due to injury. But congratulations on self-ownage. Youve managed to prove my point and embarrass yourself in a single post.
I also appreciate the further data that proves than not only does Dampier not play very much against the Spurs, he absolutely sucks when he does:
5 ing fouls in 12 minutes
No wonder Avery goes with Diop now. My guess is the only reason Dampier gets any minutes at all is becuase of the pressure he no doubt receives from Cuban.
"I got this hockey jersey with his name on it. You gotta play him or Im gonna look like a dumb ass!"
btw - Get out of the first round, THEN you can talk about who puts too much emphasis on the regular season.
As for the actual point of this argument, if Avery learns to stop over-managing every situation, the Mavericks have a chance at getting out of the first round. But judging from last year and how this season has started, I wouldn't put any money on it.
Game over. I win.
This goes in my Legendary Threads folder. Not in an age have I seen such epic amounts of ownage.
capitalize your O mother erAre you trying to embarrass your fellow Mavericks fans? Thank you for providing me with even more detailed data supporting the claim that Diop plays more against the Spurs than Dampier does. Honestly, its not even a challenge anymore, FinDog. You thumped yourself on this one. Diop played more minutes even when you throw out the game Dampier missed due to injury. But congratulations on self-ownage. Youve managed to prove my point and embarrass yourself in a single post.
I also appreciate the further data that proves than not only does Dampier not play very much against the Spurs, he absolutely sucks when he does:
5 ing fouls in 12 minutes
No wonder Avery goes with Diop now. My guess is the only reason Dampier gets any minutes at all is becuase of the pressure he no doubt receives from Cuban.
"I got this hockey jersey with his name on it. You gotta play him or Im gonna look like a dumb ass!"
btw - Get out of the first round, THEN you can talk about who puts too much emphasis on the regular season.
As for the actual point of this argument, if Avery learns to stop over-managing every situation, the Mavericks have a chance at getting out of the first round. But judging from last year and how this season has started, I wouldn't put any money on it.
Game over. I win.
it's incredible. the thread should be renamed "Official Suns Troll Ownage Thread"
I totally agree. , joining ST actually caused me to *make* a Legendary Threads folder.
Thank you.
Honestly, the Mavericks' problem really may be very simple. You need a better center. That would be a giant band-aid for all of the Maverick's problems.
Dirk is a great player, but his game is oriented to the high post -> out than high post -> in. This causes a lot of problems for the Mavericks. Teams don't have to put a true big man on Dirk to contain him, and they can park a big down low. (Some teams have their best big guard Nowitzki anyway, which I really don't understand.) Nowitzki can kill you with a quick jumper from the elbow area on out, but he can't rebound effectively from that position. He is not quick enough or skilled enough at interior defense to guard an elite big man down low without getting into foul trouble. In his defense, he is slowly getting better at playing down low, but he is who he is at this point. Basically, your best big doesn't play like a big, so you need a complimentary player.
With a big man capable of covering Shaq (admittedly these guys aren't that easy to find), the Mavericks have their le. They also don't have to expend as much energy against the Spurs. I'm not talking about a Duncan or Olajuwon, either. Even a player like Rik Smits or a young Sabonis would be enough to put this team over the top.
I don't know enough about the Mavericks to get much deeper than that. I only watch them when they play the Pacers or Spurs. I consider the Mavericks the second-best team in the league right now. I think a more experienced coach would have helped in 2005-2006. I don't think AJ made much of a difference this last year one way or the other. (Same outcome; different box scores.) Like every team, they could use a true point guard who played hard-nosed defense and could drop 30 on a given night, but I think those players only exist in a land of whimsy and nostalgia.
I'm not sure how to articulate this, but you have a diminishing returns problem. That is, as the second-best team in the league, the Mavericks can't do anything quickly to get dramatically better. Firing AJ wouldn't help. I think he and this team are better off developing with each other at this point. I would think that this would cause a morale problem on any team after what has happened. Trading Dirk is ridiculous, because a) he is a unique talent that will not net equal value at this time; b) same morale problem; c) he does not seem to have peaked yet (but should soon due to age). As currently constructed, the Mavericks can beat anyone in a seven game series, but they may have to play near-perfectly to do so, depending on the opponent. You have a small margin for error and no quick fix to widen that margin. I say "no quick fix" becuase I can't think of how they can get the big they need without developing one.
Are you trying to make people from Arizona look like re s?Are you trying to embarrass your fellow Mavericks fans?
da_suns_fan: "A = Z."Thank you for providing me with even more detailed data supporting the claim that Diop plays more against the Spurs than Dampier does.
findog: "No, A = A. Here is a link to the alphabet."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet
I know, I know, I feel like Barry Bonds taking batting practice when you try to talk basketball.Honestly, its not even a challenge anymore, FinDog.
Capitalize your O mother er. Playoffs trump regular seasonDiop played more minutes even when you throw out the game Dampier missed due to injury.
Dallas doesn't eliminate the Spurs without Dampier or another interior defender that can play his minutes. Dampier > Brian Skinner or Sean Marks, or if we going to compare his impact versus San Antonio to that of his predecessor, Dampier > Shawn Bradley.I also appreciate the further data that proves than not only does Dampier not play very much against the Spurs, he absolutely sucks when he does:
Make a Finals, beat the Spurs, rebound, play defense, then you can talk about who puts too much emphasis on the regular season.btw - Get out of the first round, THEN you can talk about who puts too much emphasis on the regular season.
Maybe we wouldn't give you such a hard time over the regular season if you could STFU about TV ratings, how many points per game the Suns score, how random regular season meetings between Dallas and San Antonio are more relevant for determining Avery's distribution of minutes over an actual playoff series, etc, etc.
The actual point of this argument was that Steve Nash was overrated, the Mavericks are better off without him, and we swapped out an All-Star point guard for a decent defender who could allow us to get away with not doubling Duncan all the time. When this was actually put to the test, we beat the Spurs, whereas with Nash we failed twice.As for the actual point of this argument, if Avery learns to stop over-managing every situation, the Mavericks have a chance at getting out of the first round. But judging from last year and how this season has started, I wouldn't put any money on it.
As for Mike D'Antoni, it looks like he hasn't learned a single ing thing from last season. Avery and Donnie picked up a good perimeter defender, which was sorely lacking against the Warriors, and they're giving untested youngsters (Barea, Bass) some burn to develop the bench.
Capitalize your O, Mother er.Game over. I win
Thanks for the analysis. I like the job defensively Dampier and Diop together do against Duncan, I think they were a big reason we got past the Spurs when previously we couldn't do it with Shawn Bradley, but neither one of them have any kind of consistent offensive game, and that killed us against Golden State. We just don't get any kind of points consistently from the C position and honestly I don't know what to do about that. I like Dampier if he's making MLE money, but who wants his contract?
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