Yeah I said at the time that was a bad trade.
Now the guy is a multi time all star
NICE ONE!!
Hey OV, I know we battled in the past....but what cons utes as a good trade in your book.....
Hey, if they come to me, it's not really trolling. If nothing else, I've got plausible deniability for it. They want validation from Spurs fans because they got Pau Gasol. It's a good trade, but it ain't that good.
The Scola Trade....letting Beno walk......
No matter how you slice it.....trading Kwame Stone hands for Pau is about as good as a trade you'll ever see.
They're baaaaack......
I guess Jerry West ain't over at Memphis anymore?
Just to remind you. I called it a good trade in the post that you quoted. I certainly hope that I never said it wasn't a good trade, because I think it is. You guys are perfectly justified in being excited. It's a definite step up in talent, and the swap of Kwame for Pau increases the Lakers' chances immeasurably for this season, but might hamstring them later. For that reason I don't agree that it was a completely lop-sided trade. It's certainly not one of the best trades in history and I personally don't believe it suddenly makes the Lakers a championship contender. Maybe I'm completely wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. It'd be nice to see Pau actually play in a couple of games before we judge this the greatest trade ever. Pau could turn back into a 20 and 10 guy and be one of the top front lines of all time with a devloping Bynum and Kobe to clean up the rest. Pau may also turn out to be a three year underachieving salary anchor who fails to improve the team, while the player the Lakers traded and the first round draft picks turn into guys who can play. It's not so great then. Again, time will tell. Getting rid of Kwame was great, but wasn't he going to walk this summer anyway?
It says something about the quality of the trade when you have to compare it to the Scola or Beno trade. All three transactions are similar in that you have to give something up to make up for a previous mistake. The Lakers did just that, and they probably came out better than the Spurs did on either of their trades, particularly for the short term. Vince Carter was revived for a few months when he went to New Jersey. Maybe Pau will find his mojo again since he's got something to play for.
Only time will tell
Pau is softer than Hedo, Hedo is the **** this season.
Sounds more like you're the troll, considering you're on a Spurs board pimping your Lakers. What he said isn't off base. IF you came in here and expected us to act scared of the Lakers and agree with you guys that you will win the championship, you're a ing dumbass. There is tons of basketball to be played, we are the defending champs, and we won't concede anything until it happens. If you don't like what you read, then don't come here? It's not that hard to understand.
This ain't his first great regular season, Poncho. If he doesn't shrink in the playoffs this year, it WILL be the first time.
Will it matter? He'll be the 3rd or 4th option on the offense. The spotlight won't be on him to perform, it will be on Kobe. You can't compare the cir stances in Memphis to what they will be like in LA. Totally different team, totally different role.
If Gasol is the third or fourth option on offense what's he bringing, his defense and rebounding?
That's the beauty of the triangle offense, it's an equal opportunity system. Everyone is gonna get looks. Pau just adds another threat that teams are gonna have to cover.
They can't sag off him like they do to Luke Walton and Kwame Brown. We will now have legitimate offensive threats at every position. Kobe and Bynum can't be double teamed so easily. Cmon, do I really have to explain why this is a good thing to you people?
Gasol is a good pickup no doubt. But haven't been this many Laker fleas infesting the board since Payton and Malone. How's that chronically bad back of Gasol holding up?
Gasol is kind of like the Ginobili of PF's. Very productive and efficient, but not really considered an elite player. Difference is Gasol was the leader of some decent teams, Ginobili has been an excellent 2nd/3rd fiddle on championship teams.
I think Gasol has the goods to be an excellent 2nd/3rd man on a championship calibur team. He is an excellent offensive player. Defense isn't anything special but it won't matter much if Bynum is healthy come playoff time. (Kind of like Ginobili not needing to be an excellent defender man to man for the Spurs).
2008 is Top 3 protected and 2010 is Top 6 protected, if I remember correctly.
But it makes little difference, Lakers won't be lottery any time soon.
NO KIDDING. I understood the Caron Butler trade, we were overloaded at his position, but we got Kwame Brown??? Blah!
Ask the Spurs if Hedo's shrinkage mattered. Weren't you watching that series? Surely you were a Lakers fan that recently.
That's the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread. They are exact opposites. Gasol puts up decent numbers and, unless I'm mistaken, has never even won a playoff game. Ginobili doesn't put up numbers until the game, the series, or the championship is on the line.
Ginobili would not be a considered a "champion" at the NBA level if he had to lead a team with the same talent as Gasol.
Stylistically they are not similiar, but they are on a similiar level in terms of talent, effectiveness, and statistical production.
Except Manu has taken over many games in the clutch and Gasol has not.
They are exactly the same, other than the fact that Manu is one of the top clutch performers in basketball history, who has won everywhere he's ever been, while the only thing Pau has ever won happened while he was sitting on the sideline in street clothes.
The only things they have in common are race and profession.
Are you drunk?
Embarrassing. The lack of knowledge and downright stupidity from Spurs fans is disgraceful. If you guys were able to pick Gasol up you'd be singing from the rooftops about what a great trade you made.
Gasol has indeed won in his career, just not with the Grizzlies (which is the only NBA team he's played for). He led the Spanish national team to the FIBA championship and was their goto man in the clutch. The things you criticize him for, being soft and not a clutch guy, aren't going to matter on the Lakers. He goes from being THE man to the 2nd or 3rd option behind Kobe and Bynum. It is the perfect role for him.
Gasol is one of the best PF's in the NBA today. You don't average 19/9 shooting 50% from the field with 1.8 bpg by being a scrub. Those are star caliber numbers any way you slice it. Is Gasol a defensive monster......no but he is adequate and is able to make up for those deficiencies with his length. Offensively he is extremely gifted (great passer, good midrange shot, quick for a 7 footer, and developed back to the basket game). He is an extremely well rounded player and you wish you were able to pickup a guy like him. ing haters.
Um, maybe you are thinking goto man in the crutch, since he was injured and didn't even suit up for the championship game. Embarrassing. The lack of knowledge and downright stupidity from Lakers fans is disgraceful.
Ouch. That was severe ownage.
To be fair, he is technically leading his teammates since his feet are in front of them.
Go rewatch the tournament. Other than the championship game where he broke his foot he was their goto player.
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