Spurs acquire Thomas from Sonics for Barry, Elson

[whottt]

Thomas' 42 games with Seattle:
25 min per game
7.5 points
51.3% FG%
8.8 rebounds
2.2 off rebounds
1.0 blocks

That's pretty damn good. Especially to shoot at that clip on a young team. Slightly better shotblocking than what went out (Spurs are 26th in the league in blocking shots, so any improvement is welcome). Of course it's the rebounding that stands out. Even with the Spurs' defensive rebounding prowess, I would argue that it's important to have another big up front who can work the glass with Duncan. I wish there was a stat for 'rebounding in the paint' because I think the Spurs wouldn't be first in that. Overall, the Spurs are 19th in the NBA in rebounding (Seattle is 1st - go figure). Spurs are also 24th in the league in offensive rebounding. Certainly part of the reason for those rebounding rankings is quality offensive and defensive execution and having better shooting, but it's not like the Spurs don't have room for improvement.

You sure did use a lot of ing words to say that you think "Thomas > Artest".

That's all you needed to say...

[Holt's Cat]

Thomas is good against Laker's, Houston, Utah, the teams that were the toughest macthups for the Spurs in the West pre-Thomas. He gives the Spurs a third, fourth good big and probably the second best after Duncan.

No kidding. Spurs needed some muscle up front with TD. They were loaded with finesse in the frontcourt. This trade evens that out.

[Bruno]

Looking at Thomas as quality depth as opposed to a bigman savior makes this trade look better.

That's how I look at this trade.
Spurs have saved money, added quality depth at the PF/C and removed quality depth at the SG/SF.

To me, it wasn't worth a first round pick.
If, Brent, the quality depth at SG/SF come back, the trade will look better but I still won't like it.

[Holt's Cat]

You sure did use a lot of ing words to say that you think "Thomas > Artest".

That's all you needed to say...

you.

[T Park]

Thomas' 42 games with Seattle:
25 min per game
7.5 points
51.3% FG%
8.8 rebounds
2.2 off rebounds
1.0 blocks

That's pretty damn good. Especially to shoot at that clip on a young team. Slightly better shotblocking than what went out (Spurs are 26th in the league in blocking shots, so any improvement is welcome). Of course it's the rebounding that stands out. Even with the Spurs' defensive rebounding prowess, I would argue that it's important to have another big up front who can work the glass with Duncan. I wish there was a stat for 'rebounding in the paint' because I think the Spurs wouldn't be first in that. Overall, the Spurs are 19th in the NBA in rebounding (Seattle is 1st - go figure). Spurs are also 24th in the league in offensive rebounding. Certainly part of the reason for those rebounding rankings is quality offensive and defensive execution and having better shooting, but it's not like the Spurs don't have room for improvement.

Great numbers.

Thomas shows in those numbers hes still got lots of gas in the tank.

9 boards a game and almost 8 points.

Nice

[1Parker1]

Soooo anyone think the Spurs "close" relation to the Sonics front-office helped edge in the Spurs for this trade over the Magic who were supposedly the front runners in the Kurt THomas trade.

[T Park]

That's how I look at this trade.
Spurs have saved money, added quality depth at the PF/C and removed quality depth at the SG/SF.

To me, it wasn't worth a first round pick.
If, Brent, the quality depth at SG/SF come back, the trade will look better but I still won't like it.

When the heck did the 27th through the 30th pick in the NBA become so GD valuable?

Win freaking now.

You can trade fodder for a late first round pick in the summer of 08 or in June of 09 if you want.

[Holt's Cat]

Great numbers.

Thomas shows in those numbers hes still got lots of gas in the tank.

9 boards a game and almost 8 points.

Nice

9 boards in 25 minutes.

[T Park]

Soooo anyone think the Spurs "close" relation to the Sonics front-office helped edge in the Spurs for this trade over the Magic who were supposedly the front runners in the Kurt THomas trade.

Doesn't hurt I'm sure

[Ghost Writer]

1. I sure hope Artest does not get traded for the same or less, though.

2. I'm not worried about the first rounder next year either way. A rookie is not going to make an impact on this team next year.

3. I happy the Spurs made a move to help the team now.

4. Do they let K. Thomas walk and go after someone better this summer?

Question.

[T Park]

9 boards in 25 minutes.

Yeah i think he will get about 25 and Oberto will get 23.

Alot depending on the matchups.

I still like a great post defender in Kurt Thomas going against Shaq as opposed to Elson or Oberto.

[T Park]

4. Do they let K. Thomas walk and go after someone better this summer?

If the Spurs feel Diop is BETTER than Thomas, then they could.

I think though thomas resigns for about 4 or 5 mill for a year and him and Oberto tutor the young stud Splitter.

[Holt's Cat]

That's how I look at this trade.
Spurs have saved money, added quality depth at the PF/C and removed quality depth at the SG/SF.

To me, it wasn't worth a first round pick.
If, Brent, the quality depth at SG/SF come back, the trade will look better but I still won't like it.

They still have their 1st round pick in this year's draft along with two 2nd rounders and then in 2009 they will have two 2nd rounders. Given their propensity to use those picks on international talent they should be able to find some worthwhile candidates for draft and stash. Then they still have Splitter and Sanikidze's rights. And you have Mahinmi who is coming along.

They have their MLE this summer and their LLE. Should they retain Finley for one more season you don't have that many holes in the swingman rotation.

[1Parker1]

When the heck did the 27th through the 30th pick in the NBA become so GD valuable?.

Since the Spurs got Tim Duncan, maybe?

28th Pick; Tony Parker
2nd Round Pick: Manu Ginobili
27th Pick: Ian Mahimi

etc
etc
etc

[timvp]

1. I sure hope Artest does not get traded for the same or less, though.

2. I'm not worried about the first rounder next year either way. A rookie is not going to make an impact on this team next year.

3. I happy the Spurs made a move to help the team now.

4. Do they let K. Thomas walk and go after someone better this summer?

Question.

1. He'll be traded for more than the Spurs have to offer ... if he's traded at all.

2. I don't really care about the first round pick itself but I'm not sure how well the Spurs used their trade asset. I guess the Sonics simply weren't going to budge and take a second round pick in the deal.

3. If Barry is Stackhoused, there isn't really anyway anyone can say this trade doesn't help to win right now.

4. They could let him walk, sign him to a short deal (one or two years) or sign-and-trade him.

[Hemotivo]

I think though thomas resigns for about 4 or 5 mill for a year and him and Oberto tutor the young stud Splitter.

Scola was the "tutor" of Tiago in Europe, so he's ready for the NBA

[T Park]

They still have their 1st round pick in this year's draft along with two 2nd rounders and then in 2009 they will have two 2nd rounders. Given their propensity to use those picks on international talent they should be able to find some worthwhile candidates for draft and stash. Then they still have Splitter and Sanikidze's rights. And you have Mahinmi who is coming along.

If Sanikidze develops like he looks like he is, and if he can play like he did this past summer, the swingman depth becomes less of a problem.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

4. Do they let K. Thomas walk and go after someone better this summer?

Question.

Trade away Bonner (he's lost pretty much everyone's trust) so the Spurs can now focus on Splitter and Ian for the future. Kurt can be re-signed and help them out with his teachings on post D.

[Bruno]

When the heck did the 27th through the 30th pick in the NBA become so GD valuable?

Spurs should have traded their late first round pick in 2001.
Late first round pick are useless.

[T Park]

Since the Spurs got Tim Duncan, maybe?

28th Pick; Tony Parker
2nd Round Pick: Manu Ginobili
27th Pick: Ian Mahimi

etc
etc
etc

Ian Mahinmi is still not proven if it was a "steal"

Now had you said Splitter I would've taken pause.

BUT. That late in the first round and having to pay gauranteed money, its a crap shoot.

Nothing is gauranteed. Thomas is a gauranteed solid player.

You trade the ungauranteed for the gauranteed everytime.

[T Park]

Spurs should have traded their late first round pick in 2001.
Late first round pick are useless.

Awesome.

So you go into the playoffs this year hoping you have a good post defender against those bigs, in return for MAYBE getting a DECENT player in the 2009 draft?

Great winning thinking.

[T Park]

Trade away Bonner (he's lost pretty much everyone's trust

Huh?

[Bruno]

If Sanikidze develops like he looks like he is, and if he can play like he did this past summer, the swingman depth becomes less of a problem.

Do you realize that Sanikidze is playing in one of the worst league in Europe.
For reference, the MVP of Sanikidze's league is a 18 years old kid.

[1Parker1]

Ian Mahinmi is still not proven if it was a "steal"

Now had you said Splitter I would've taken pause.

BUT. That late in the first round and having to pay gauranteed money, its a crap shoot.

Nothing is gauranteed. Thomas is a gauranteed solid player.

You trade the ungauranteed for the gauranteed everytime.

You're right T-Park. It is a crap shoot. Not like the Spurs didn't get an immediate impact player in 2001 with the 28th pick or anything. Not like in 2003 during there weren't any great picks left well into the 2nd round. Oh and Splitter was part of the "etc etc etc"

[batboy]

This trade makes sense on so many levels, not the least of which being that other teams are deprived of picking Thomas up and putting him on Duncan.